Rugby Player Dad Lucien Hoffman Leaves Two-Year-Old in Car at Nevada Brothel in 95 Degree Heat
In Patrick, Nevada, Oregon rugby player Lucien Hoffman was arrested on charges of child neglect. Seems that he left his two-year-old daughter in a vehicle in the parking lot of World Famous Mustang Ranch brothel in Sparks, Nevada. It was 95 degrees out, so you have to figure it was even hotter in the car.
Lucikly, a brothel security guard found the child crying inside the car. When he couldn’t locate her parents, he called the sherrif and took the child inside the brothel.
Hoffman was attending a pool party and barbecue at the Mustang Ranch, which was a co-sponsor of a Labor Day weekend rugby tournament. If brothel security had known that Hoffman brought a child with him, he would not have been allowed in the brothel.
After Hoffman’s arrest, the toddler was treated for dehydration and released to child protective services. She was eventually returned to her mom in Oregon.
The rugby club’s president said that Hoffman a good father who made a bad decision, and that he’s not neglectful or hurtful.
No he’s just incredibly STUPID! I don’t know what’s worse, taking a little girl to a brothel or leaving a kid out in the heat.
(Thanks to reader Cat for the tip!)
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September 9th, 2007 at 6:20 am
What a turkey. If you have your kid with you, then you can’t go to a party and leave the kid in the car! Too bad! Either make arrangements for a sitter or skip the party.
September 9th, 2007 at 7:20 am
It appears that our vehicles are now becoming “babysitters” for our children, we are now hearing so many cases of children being left in cars and dying from the heat, are we really THAT stupid in society to accept that these are just cases of mental lapses and excuse these cases? And I’m so tired of hearing people say “The rugby club’s president said that Hoffman a good father who made a bad decision, and that he’s not neglectful or hurtful” that’s a load of bull! He left his child in the car so he could go to a party, if he’s done it this time, who’s to say what else he may have been doing behind closed doors or who’s to say he hasn’t left her in the car before now? When are people going to wake up and realize that people are two faced- a person can put on one image and be completely the opposite in other ways!
We had a woman recently here who was cleared of her 2 year old daughter being left in a van for 8 hours and died August of 2006…the judge cleared her saying she made a mistake because she’s a school administrator and the morning she left her child in the car to die, she was stressed and in a hurry all because she had to pick up donuts for a faculty meeting!! Now it’s surfacing that this was not the only child that she has left in a car and not the only child that has died in her care!
People should take it upon themselves to look in vehicles when in a parking lost, doesn’t hurt to glance in the cars as you pass them to make sure there are no children left sitting in the vehicle! Also, I think ALL tinting on car windows should not be allowed and any cars that have tinting should have it removed ASAP (as most minivans now have tinting, and we’re hearing more cases of children being left to die in minivans!). Who cares about someone’s privacy in a vehicle…I have nothing to hide in my vehicle, and tinting your windows to prevent someone from stealing it…well, that just makes someone even more curious as to what you have to hide in there so they’ll break in anyway! If you want to forget leaving something in your car, forget the portable dvd player, it can be replaced, but your child can’t!
September 11th, 2007 at 8:26 am
OK! Will someone PLEASE stick this man in a HOT car in 100 degree weather and let him feel how his child felt! He’s a total ass for doing that to his kid!
September 11th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Susan – Where do you live? I’m from Texas and live in South Carolina. We have tinted windows in our cars to keep out the sun and the heat, not for privacy. Even then, it is only legal in the back only. We have family all over and take long road trips, there is no way I would allow my little girl to sit in the back seat of our vehicle with the sun glaring on her full force. We even have one of those little window shades that she can pull down with the sun is really shining on her. I think you are going alittle overboard here.
September 11th, 2007 at 11:38 am
Kathy, it doesn’t matter what state someone lives in, tinting is on cars everywhere, some places just have laws that state how dark the tinting can be. My car does not have tinted windows, it didn’t come with the car when I bought it, it’s a 1994 toyota. But some cars now come standard with the tinting, and depending on the state you live in, it comes darker then what is allowed (this is the case in virginia where my ex had a pickup truck that came with the tinting already on the windows, the cops informed him it was too dark and he had to have the tinting changed!). Yeah, it’s meant to keep the car cooler, BUT, most get tinting put on their windows, or have more tinting added for security purposes. My daughter sits with the sun on her, she pulls her little shade, many people sit in their cars with the sun glaring on them full force, as long as the air is on in the car, the sun doesn’t cause any grief other then be a little blinding! My point is that the tinting makes it hard for people to see inside a vehicle, I have passed numerous minivans in a parking lot that you literally have to push your face up against the glass to see in, so if you leave your child in the car, how would you see your child through the window when you pass by the window if the tinting is so dark? Do you keep your daughter inside as well so the sun isn’t glaring on her? I’m sure you don’t, so really the sun and comfort has no relevance for a vehicle, the driver is distracted numerous times with the sun, but the tinting can affect nighttime vision, , shades can’t be put up for the driver, the tinting on a drivers window and the front window are usually not as dark as the rest of the car windows, so it’s more for comfort and privacy for the rest of the passengers then really much else! And I would think that darkly tinted windows would help to hold the heat in even more inside the vehicle!
September 13th, 2007 at 8:13 am
Tinted windows or not….Point is…this guy left his daughter in a hot ass car while his horny ugly ass was thinking with his other head at a ho-party. Poor girl…glad she is back with her mom.
September 13th, 2007 at 9:41 am
Actually, I do keep my daughter out of the sun. And when she does play outside in the sun, I slather her with sunscreen. She actually freaks out if there is too much sun on her. I got sun poisoning as a teen. Seeing as my daughter is much fairer than I am, I am very careful with her. Most SUVs and Vans come with tinted windows in the back as a standard feature. People I know that do actaully have to go out and get their windows tinted do it to block out some of the heat.
My point is. OUTLAWING tinted windows is not the answer to this. Its pretty extreme. Enforcing the laws we already have is what needs to be done.
September 13th, 2007 at 11:21 am
Kathy – I’m with you on this one. Outlawing tinted windows is laughable. Of course, here in MD they do have a limit on how dark you can go, but I have darker than legal on all four of my windows and I’ve never been stopped by the police or ticketed. I’m sure it is difficult to see inside my car in the parking lot, but I would never and have never left my dog, much less a child in the car, forgotten about.
Susan – I don’t think there is anything wrong with glancing in vehicles as you walk to and from yours in the parking lots. If it feels right, do it. Just be prepared that you may be confronted by someone who doesn’t like it and thinks it’s “intrusive”. If you can do it casually, then I would. Keep in mind when the security guard found the child she was crying. He could hear her in the car and that’s what made him investigate. As far as the school administrator – I think it is a load of crap that she got away with murdering her daughter. Especially after she had already endangered her 6 year old a few years prior in the same manner! But there was no one in that parking lot to check or to hear her if she cried.
September 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Shel, where did you see the report about her leaving her 6-year-old? I found a report that says her older child’s daycare had told her not to leave the younger child alone in the car while dropping off/picking up the older child.
Here’s the link: http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/oh/story/opinions/columns/2007/09/08/ddn090907mary.html
I think the writer makes a very good point about how for some parents this kind of carelessness and distraction becomes a habit. I also read safety advice elsewhere that says if you’re worried about forgetting your child in the car, put some personal possession of yours that you will need for the day in the back seat with the child.
Isn’t it sad that we live in a society where people remember their briefcases but not their children?
I have another safety suggestion – put one of those baby observation mirrors on your rearview mirror and look in it regularly.
Of course, in this case we just have a worthless P.O.S dad who felt it was more important to get his rocks off than care for his child. I can’t decide if I’d be satisfied with him simply losing his parental rights and going to jail, or if justice would better be served by loosing his rights,going to jail AND having his testicles removed.
September 15th, 2007 at 5:13 am
“Charges of child endangerment require an act of recklessness, which requires an intentional act of putting the child’s life at risk.” So how do you enforce a law then that apparently wasn’t broken as far as the court system is concerned? A person can drive drunk, do drugs and those are considered accord for endangerment charges, but forgetting your child in a car, something that apparently is becoming a VERY LARGE issue in this country, is not considered endangerment? Thank God the child in this dad’s case was able to cry to get attention, but what about those two young to cry that loud, or those that are asleep? Now throw in the fact that the windows are extremely dark on the car, and boom, people forget their kids! It’s mostly minivans, pickup trucks, SUV type vehicles that have this really dark tinting on the windows, and, in the places where there are laws on how dark the tinting on the windows can be the police have put those laws into effect for the cops safety…they can’t see into a dark window to see if someone is pulling a gun on them, etc.
Ok, so first off, if we’re going to enforce the laws that already exist, then Shel, your knowingly breaking the law, because you have tinting on your windows that you know is darker then your allowed to have, and although you have never forgot your child in the car, that doesn’t mean someone else hasn’t! Also, if several people are allowed to get away with leaving their child in the car, then who’s to say that others may not do it ON PURPOSE, just to be cleared of charges because it doesn’t fall into the “endangering” criteria. I don’t go up and make it obvious I’m looking in people’s cars, you make me sound like I’m stupid and don’t think about how my actions could come across to others! But, it does make it tougher to “glance” into someone’s minivan as you walk by when the windows are darkly tinted, and considering most of these cases we’re hearing about of parents leaving their children in the cars to die have been driving some kind of minivan, hhmm, seems to me that maybe the dark tinting is making it hard on even the parents to glance in their back windows as they pass by these windows, after all, the donut woman had to walk to the back of her vehicle to unload the donuts!
So gee, with all the scare now about skin cancer, etc, people don’t want to give up their tinted windows, apparently they don’t even want to agree to make the tinting even lighter (as Shel has pointed out, just because no one has stopped you and ticketed you for darker then allowed tinting doesn’t mean your not still breaking a law!), it’s obvious that when it comes to holding EVERYONE more responsible for their actions (after all, we all know that it only takes a few to “ruin” it for the rest of us!), what appears to be good for the geese is not good for the gander!
So how do you solve this then? Do we put stickers on the windows of the vehicle, on the side where the carseat it, that is stuck to the outside of the car reminding someone that there is a child in a carseat inside? Well, seems like that could work, kind of like those fire stickers you can get to put on your house windows to tell fireman where loved ones are, BUT, how many of you actually even have those stickers on your house windows? I’m willing to say maybe one or two, if that? People don’t see the importance of obtaining these stickers and putting them on their house windows because they assume they will never be involved in a house fire, and their convinced that in the heat of the moment, their family will remember what to do to get out of the house safely, even though a firedrill has probably never even been practices in the home! So I doubt stickers on the outside of a car window will help much, considering no one wants to go obtain the stickers (because their just too busy!), plus even if people were given these stickers, most would say the stickers look tacky on their cars!
So do we change the endangerment laws that already exist? Well, that’s a fine line, because if we do that, then someone who just leaves their car to pump gas could now be considered endangering their child, so that isn’t going to work! hhhmmm, what to do what to do!
And obviously people can’t remember on their own, despite ALL of the suggestions that are offered by professionals on how to remember your child is in the car with you. hhhmmmm, what to do what to do!
Seems to me that the one way to try to help with this issue, one that doesn’t suddenly make everyone being accused of endangering their child and doesn’t make their car look hideous with stickers on the windows, would be to tone down the tinting! Start with that first, if it seems to work, go with it, if it doesn’t, look for another solution! I’ve even had car salemen tell me that the tinting on the minivan, SUV, truck, etc, makes the car look “sportier”, they very rarely mention the UV protection that it was truely meant to block! So, can’t we push carmakers to come up with a better tinting for the windows that allows us to clearly see into the vehicles, but yet still protects us against the UV rays? “sunglasses must block at least 70 percent of UVB and at least 60 percent of UVA, but those standards are completely voluntary, not mandatory.” Ok, so you only really need a certain percentage to protect your eyes.
I also found this:
“Listed below are some of the top reasons that people tint their cars:
Avoid Overheating – Your car’s interior can be 60% cooler during super hot days with proper tinting.
Protect Your Skin – Harmful UV rays from the sun can cause skin cancer. Tinting your car can block 99% of these damaging rays (as claimed bysome brands).
Accident Protection – In an auto accident, tinting can help shattered glass hold together, protecting the occupants of the car.
Safer Driving – Tinting reduces dangerous glare from the sun and other headlights, helping you drive safely.
Enhanced Privacy – Tinting protects your privacy and contents within a car. What a burglar can’t see, he won’t steal.
Prevent Cracks and Fading – Harmful UV rays and heat cause car upholstery to crack and fade. Car tint is sunscreen for your car.”
September 15th, 2007 at 5:37 am
Ok, Overheating…..apparently is really doesn’t do much more then any other car without tinting, because children have died in a short amount of time in these vehicles that have ecessive tinting on the windows, we’re read the stories here, the majority of the vehicles have been minivans!
Protect your skin…so apply sunscreen while in your vehicle as well then! Apparently you only need so much blockage from the UVA rays, etc, so if your car windows are tinted darker then needed, gee, now it sounds like your getting into the personal safety issues! Why do you need it even darker if you’ve already blocked all the “harmful rays”?
Accident protection: ALL auto window glass is supposed to be made now to be shatter proof, with or without the tinting! And, a smaller vehicle, who doesn’t have as much tinting on the windows like the large sport utility vehicles (minivans, trucks, etc) is now at a greater risk of having issues with the windows glass in the event of an accident unless they get their windows tinted darker? I doubt that. Next time your out driving around, look at the small compact vehicles compared to minivans, trucks, etc, you can see for yourself that the larger, more expensive vehicles are the ones that come standard with the much darker tinting, why? maybe it’s so it’s justified in what their charging you for the vehicle, maybe it’s because it makes the car look “sharper”, you be the judge!
Safer driving…tinting reduces glare, well, okay, you can buy some sunglasses to wear that will do the same thing! I’ve been in vehicles though that have had really dark tinting, at night, and it seems everything outside is so much darker then it really is outside, so are you really seeing better?
Enhanced Privacy….LOL what a burglar can’t see, he won’t steal. HA, I doubt that! We lock our houses…why, to keep people out so they don’t steal our things. As soon as you put a lock on something, your saying you have something that you don’t want others to have, so someone breaks in to get it. Locks aren’t keeping people out of your house, so I think it’s safe to say your getting a false sense of security by thinking your portable dvd player in your car is safe as well! In fact, I would think someone would be more likely to break into your car, because it’s a more expensive looking car and their hoping that you have that false sense of security by leaving expensive things in your car!
Prevent cracks and fading….they have those little shade things you can put across your dash, etc to help prevent all of this, guess people are just to lazy to use them like they are too lazy to remember their child is in the car! I have a 94 toyota, my dash isn’t cracked or faded, my seats have seat covers, the sun hasn’t seemed to damage the interior of my car, but then again, I also keep it clean, I use the correct products on my dash to clean it with, etc. This just sounds like either faulty material being used by manufacturers or someone just trying to promote something that really doesn’t make any difference, after all, your car depreciates in value no matter how well you take care of it, and now adays a large majority of the population don’t even keep their cars for more then 5 years, most do leases and the like, so how well do we really know how your interior will hold up to the “sun’s harmful ways” when you don’t even have your vehicle long enough to see the damage?
I personally feel that all of the scare that has been put out to the public concerning skin cancer, etc, has lead to people EXPECTING the extremes to “protect them”. Think about it, the sun is a natural source of vitamins and minerals, MANY PEOPLE all across the globe live in areas where they are exposed to sun ALL DAY LONG, day in and day out, I haven’t heard of those areas having major outbreaks of skin cancer! Maybe we should take a look at the chemicals that are being put on our skin to “protect” us from skin cancer, as anyone stopped to think that maybe all those chemicals in that sunscreen is what could be contributing to skin cancer? After all, it’s already been shown in many studies and reports that the hand santizer that everyone carries in their pockets really doesn’t kill as many germs as claimed, maybe this is just another tactic of the sunscreen makers to “scare” you into buying their products! Maybe there are many other factors that go into someone getting skin cancer…environment (polution in the air), hygeiene, what a person eats/drinks, their lifestyle, lack of exposure to the sun makes the skin more sensitive to it, lack of supervision while in the sun (johnny is clearly turning bright red but who wants to stop their day at the beach?), etc? I’ve seen children lathered in sunscreen still be as burnt as someone who didn’t have it on! I personally think that people are just being falsely lead by the hand into false senses of security. I guess maybe we should give up then on finding a “cure” for people leaving their children in hot cars to die, because apparently there is no “cure” that will satisfy everyone!
September 15th, 2007 at 6:04 am
Susan- Seriously, you must really type furiously when someone doesn’t agree with you. Are you making fun of me because I protect my daughter from the sun? I told you I HAVE HAD SUN POISONING. I could not even WALK it was so painful. My skin DIED before it even peeled off and I had the smell of rotting flesh around me. I had two scars on my legs that DISAPPEARED when my skin was completely healed because of all the layers of skin that peeled. Is that graphic enough for you? Alos, the people in the nations that live and work inthe sun all day ALSO are populated with people that have an increased amount of melanin in their skin. It is no big medical secret that people with fairer skin are more susceptible to skin cancer. And Skin cancer may be just a huge “scare tactic” to you, but I know three people that have had large sections of skin removed on their faces, one lost an ear and one lost a chunk of her thigh, all from skin cancer. If I can prevent it, I will.
And the whole thing with outlawing tinted windows to keep people from leaving their kids in their car is just not even close to being a reasonable thing to do. Tinting isn’t designed to allow you to leave your children in the car for hours and be cool. It is designed to keep some of the heat out of the car while you are in it with the AC running, thereby keeping energy costs down.
Anyway, you might as well say we need to stop allowing people to have children because this asswipe left his daughter in the car.
September 15th, 2007 at 9:17 am
Kathy, I’m not making fun of you in any way, I just don’t see how having such dark tinting on vehicle windows relates to someone getting skin cancer, something you referred to. Also, I think genetics plays alot in what people’s bodies are prone to get, you’ve said yourself your daughter is adopted, just because something may run in your family (like heart disease for example) doesn’t mean it will appear in her. I think your taking what I’m saying way out of context, my point was being that having tinted windows prevents people from being able to look into their cars as they pass it…..I don’t know about everyone, but I know I usually glance through my windows when I get out of the car just to make sure the doors are locked, if my windows are darkly tinted, then how could I see if even my doors are locked? I’ve been with people who haven’t been sure where they left their cell phone (say coming back from lunchbreak at work)and not being able to see through the windows of the SUV we just got out of to see if their phone is laying on the seat (it could be they left it sitting on the counter at the resturant!), and have had to have the owner of the vehicle unlock the doors again so they could look inside to see if it’s there. Now if someone can’t glance in to see if they left their cellphone laying on the seat, then how could someone see their child sitting there in a car seat as they walk by the window and go ‘oh I forgot to get johnny out”.
It just always makes me laugh when people are always quick to make recommendations, etc, on how things should be changed until it directly affects them in someway, then they want to bash the ideas because now that means they have to give up some comfort level they have, but, like I stated earlier, isn’t that how it usually goes, it takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone else? I haven’t heard any other suggestions on how to get people to remind themselves of their kids being in the car, other then the typical things of mirrors, putting your purse in the child’s area, etc, if people aren’t going to change their ways by doing these simple things then that means at some point something more “drastic” will be done to try to correct the issue, and at least if the tinting wasn’t so dark on the vehicle windows, then maybe others who are in the same parking lot would be able to see a child left alone easier and could possibly help prevent the child from dying, but then again, no one ever wants to get involved in looking out for the welfare of others until AFTER something drastic has happened! Typical way of society I guess!
September 16th, 2007 at 6:48 am
There is no skin cancer ’scare’, it is the truth.
Tinted windows or not, it’s not the point. You can’t see what goes on behind closed doors of peoples homes either.
Where I live, people are constantly calling the police
to report children (and dogs) left in cars.
As far as this ‘father’ goes, I don’t know if there’s
any possible way to prevent stupidity.
Why did he even take her, if he couldn’t find a
sitter he should not have gone. Many people don’t put their children first these days though…
September 17th, 2007 at 6:20 am
Susan- I don’t know how familiar you are with the adoption process, but most children aren’t just “abandoned” and put up for adoption these days. My daughter’s biological families’ medical background was readily available to me, and it is for most adoptees now. I KNOW what she is susceptible to genetically. It’s not like it was “back in the day.” That is all I have to say about that.
Also, this man did not leave his daughter in his car because he forgot her because his wondows were tinted. He left her ther on purpose because he wanted to hang out with a bunch of hookers. Leaving your kids in the car is illegal already. And DAMN RIGHT, I should not have to give up my rights because someone like this did what he did. I live my life within the boundaries of the law, I should not have to be punished because some asswipe was too horny to take care of his daughter.
September 17th, 2007 at 10:22 am
I know this guy left his child in the car for hookers, I was also mentioning in my post about the vice principal who was just cleared of killing her two year old child….she left the child in the car for 8 hours august of last year, the child died, and the mom’s defense was that she was too stressed out that morning because of picking up donuts for a staff meeting and “forgot” her child was in the car, the judge said because of the stress she was under that morning, and because she had to go pick up donuts for the meeting was out of her “normal routine” (sounds like another case that was put on this site earlier doesn’t it??) and that was why she forgot her 2 year old was asleep in the car. The thing is, she had to pass by the window her child was sitting at to get to the back of the car to unload the donuts, AND, this was not the first time this woman had been warned about “forgetting” her child in the car, but apparently our court systems are buying lame ass excuses for why children are being left in cars and arent punishing accordingly! So apparently leaving your child in a car is not so illegal after all! Most endangerment laws have a fine line, and apparently this woman (and the guy in the other story who “forgot” his kid in the car as well) didnt fit the “criteria” for endangering, and THEN their child dying, in a car! The child in this dad’s story was able to cry and get attention, BUT in many of the other cases we’ve read here, that was not the case! No one heard those children if they cried, no one noticed those children until they were DEAD! Almost ALL of these children have died in minivans, not compact cars! Maybe if the tinting on the windows of these minivans wasn’t so dark, the parents parefrial (or however the word is spelled for your side vision) vision could have caught a glimpse of the child’s seat to “remind” them that their child was there! Yes, this man here did it intentially, but sssoooo many other cases we’ve read here were supposedly “accidental”, due to “forgetfullness”, and if the parent has to walk to the back of the car, they should be able to see into their windows to notice that they forgot their kid! I think your missing my point, but what’s new! I’m sure if this child had died in this story he would have tried to play the “i forgot” defense, and then probably would have gotten away with it! But we all know too well that this is just one case where “luck” was on the child’s side, there are way to many other cases where that wasn’t the outcome for the child, and the majority of those children have died in minivans or suv type of vehicles! Makes a person start to wonder why these certain types of vehicles have the highest amount of children being “forgotten” or left in them to die! So you start by eliminating hindering factors…one of those being the really dark tint on the windows for example, because now you can’t just glance in and “remember”!
As far as the adoption…yes, bio info will be released IF the bio info is available, your child may have come with her info, but other children don’t! I do know how the adoption process works, they will release to the adoptive parents what info they have for the child, but if no info exists (becasue of where you can now leave your child with no questions asked, etc), then not all parents can be made aware of “past family” medical issues. Social workers will “try” to get what info they can on a child’s past, but considerng most social workers are just too “busy” with all the other cases their supposedly investigating, info is not always available/obtained! I’ve seen foster parents even who have not been given info on children, because no info existed, and it has taken them years to try to get the system to get them info, sometimes with no luck, and most of the time in some of those cases the parents of those children are available to obtain the info from! And if a parent putting their child up for adoption…they may not always tell the truth or may not for example know the father’s bio side, so no, we may not be “back in the day”, but info still doesn’t always come with a child when you adopt them!
September 17th, 2007 at 10:31 am
and for all we know, the dark tinting on the windows could be what causes parents to leave their children in these types of vehicles, because of the dark tinting, no one can look in and say “hey you forgot your kid”, therefore, they feel like their getting away with something because no one will notice their child is in the car, you can’t glance in the windows while walking by, and these cars sit up a little higher then compact cars, so gee, what a perfect way to justify to yourself to leave the kid in the car, you’ll only be gone a “few minutes”, what could happen? No one will see the child and you won’t get caught, if the child dies, then you plead that you “forgot” your child was there, and boom, your free of charges! Doesn’t anyone else see where I’m going with this? So yes, now your minivan becomes a perfect babysitter, no one can see in to steal your stuff, much less see your kid, so your safe, and you just cross your fingers hoping nothing serious happens! But thats okay too, because if something serious does happen, you can just say you forgot (and I’m not saying “you” personally, “you” is meant in general terms)! Too many contributing factors to all of this if you ask me! It’s almost as if we’re enabling parents now to forget their kids in their cars!
September 17th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Susan, I don’t think the article says anything about this guy’s windows being tinted. I don’t see what window tinting has to do with leaving your child in your car while you party in a brothel with prostitutes. I’m glad the child is with her mother, I hope the mother divorces him and gets 100% custody and never leaves the child with him again.
September 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
good grief you people must read between the lines or not read correctly at all. I never said that tinted windows have anything to do with this MAN and THIS case directly, I WAS REFERRING TO ANOTHER CASE IN MY AREA OF A MOTHER LEAVING HER CHILD IN THE CAR, please be sure your reading what I’m saying, and really trying to understand my point, forget I even mentioned the whole dang window tint crap, you people obviously have completely missed my point on that!!
September 17th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Sorry Susan,
Maybe your posts are a bit long and your points
get lost.
September 18th, 2007 at 5:23 am
Susan said “I never said that tinted windows have anything to do with this MAN and THIS case directly, I WAS REFERRING TO ANOTHER CASE IN MY AREA OF A MOTHER LEAVING HER CHILD IN THE CAR, please be sure your reading what I’m saying,”
I got your point, I was saying
1) your point has nothing to do with THIS case
2) your point is that tinted windows are dangerous because they allow people to leave their children in cars — I disagree.
My point is, no matter what kind of windows are/were on the car in THIS case, the guy is a scum bag to leave his daughter in a car so he can go party with prostitutes. And thank God the guard heard the child crying.