Bad Breeders

I think a motor home is a step down… Ugh I hate seeing these stories from Oklahoma, they give us a bad name… I promise we’re not all child beating trailer trash!
But seriously… poor kid. I think I saw this on the news last night. Hope she gets to be with a family that will show her what love is really like!

I think a motor home is a step down… Ugh I hate seeing these stories from Oklahoma, they give us a bad name… I promise we’re not all child beating trailer trash!
But seriously… poor kid. I think I saw this on the news last night. Hope she gets to be with a family that will show her what love is really like!

I saw the news story for this, it was like a run down, non working, near wrecked motorhome in someones driveway.
As an Okie also, I promise there is a lot of good parents and good people in the sooner state, sometimes I think there is just not much going on here that they only thing the news has to report on is bad stuff. Here is a follow up, with a few more details, now this breeders mom is saying she is as much of a victim as the 5yr old.
http://www.newsok.com/oklahoma-county-officers-arrest-parents-on-abuse-complaints/article/3358014?custom_click=lead_story_title

I saw the news story for this, it was like a run down, non working, near wrecked motorhome in someones driveway.
As an Okie also, I promise there is a lot of good parents and good people in the sooner state, sometimes I think there is just not much going on here that they only thing the news has to report on is bad stuff. Here is a follow up, with a few more details, now this breeders mom is saying she is as much of a victim as the 5yr old.
http://www.newsok.com/oklahoma-county-officers-arrest-parents-on-abuse-complaints/article/3358014?custom_click=lead_story_title

Again I wonder how some people make it through life with quotes like this…

Price said she couldn’t stop it because it isn’t a wife’s right to question a husband’s disciplinary action, records show.

Again I wonder how some people make it through life with quotes like this…

Price said she couldn’t stop it because it isn’t a wife’s right to question a husband’s disciplinary action, records show.

Jenny – in reference to this quote:

“this breeders mom is saying she is as much of a victim as the 5yr old.”

One word sums it up: BULLSHIT! Her job as a mother is to protect her child – at the cost of her own life, if necessary. Using the excuse, “He beat me, too”, is just plain pathetic. So what if the bitch was scared of her husband? She was an adult, and scared; her child is FIVE YEARS OLD – and not only terrified of the male adult in her life, but also betrayed by the female adult in her life. What a sorry excuse for a human being.

And Trent:

I agree with you. Whether she thought it was a ‘wife’s right’ or not, she should have realized that it is a MOTHER’S obligation to protect her babies. And speaking of wifely duties; it sounds a lot like a biblical passage gone awry – “Wives obey your husbands.” How does she reconcile her strict adherence to biblical teachings with the pot and meth found in the ‘home’? Is there some obscure verse that I’m not aware of that says “Parents, smoke pot and do meth, in order to follow my teachings.”? Jeez….

Jenny – in reference to this quote:

“this breeders mom is saying she is as much of a victim as the 5yr old.”

One word sums it up: BULLSHIT! Her job as a mother is to protect her child – at the cost of her own life, if necessary. Using the excuse, “He beat me, too”, is just plain pathetic. So what if the bitch was scared of her husband? She was an adult, and scared; her child is FIVE YEARS OLD – and not only terrified of the male adult in her life, but also betrayed by the female adult in her life. What a sorry excuse for a human being.

And Trent:

I agree with you. Whether she thought it was a ‘wife’s right’ or not, she should have realized that it is a MOTHER’S obligation to protect her babies. And speaking of wifely duties; it sounds a lot like a biblical passage gone awry – “Wives obey your husbands.” How does she reconcile her strict adherence to biblical teachings with the pot and meth found in the ‘home’? Is there some obscure verse that I’m not aware of that says “Parents, smoke pot and do meth, in order to follow my teachings.”? Jeez….

Right on Angel

Right on Angel

I say it is just a cop out, I dont want to down play battered women, but it is real easy to say that after you get busted. Oklahoma has been taking these kinds of cases real serious lately (ever since what happened to Kelsey Briggs), so I hope there is no chance in hell this women gets off or if she does, she gets her kids back. This scum bag sperm donor,hopefully he will do at least a couple of years.

I say it is just a cop out, I dont want to down play battered women, but it is real easy to say that after you get busted. Oklahoma has been taking these kinds of cases real serious lately (ever since what happened to Kelsey Briggs), so I hope there is no chance in hell this women gets off or if she does, she gets her kids back. This scum bag sperm donor,hopefully he will do at least a couple of years.

chrissy said the child received one blow for eaach year she had been alive. “Briezy and her two siblings, ages 1 and 2, were placed in the custody of the state Department of Human Services.” so…then…that means that big guy there could hit the two year old sibling twice with a belt for each offense and the one year old once for each offense? i know alot of christians follow chrissy’s line of thinking with the husband being the supreme authority but i have to agree with angel’s comments….you cna’t pick and chose bible passages to suit your needs/mood. maybe it’ll be a wake up call like her mother says and maybe not. odds are she’ll be right back with her hubby as soon as he’s out of jail.

chrissy said the child received one blow for eaach year she had been alive. “Briezy and her two siblings, ages 1 and 2, were placed in the custody of the state Department of Human Services.” so…then…that means that big guy there could hit the two year old sibling twice with a belt for each offense and the one year old once for each offense? i know alot of christians follow chrissy’s line of thinking with the husband being the supreme authority but i have to agree with angel’s comments….you cna’t pick and chose bible passages to suit your needs/mood. maybe it’ll be a wake up call like her mother says and maybe not. odds are she’ll be right back with her hubby as soon as he’s out of jail.

The grandmother is saying the mom was a victim too, that “some women are leaders and some are followers.” HEY GRANDMA!!! It was YOUR job to teach your daughter how to think for herself and be a leader when SHE was a child. Obviously, you didn’t get that right, so why should the state of Oklahoma give you a chance to screw things up with the three grandkids? Your daughter’s view of motherhood and marriage is totally screwed up. Where do you think she learned it? In YOUR house when she was growing up.

I get SO pissed at these “I’m a victim too” women. Children are the only true victims in these situations because they have no choices and no way to defend themselves. The mothers DO have choices and options. Yeah, they’re not always easy or pretty, but there are always better options than allowing the dick you’re with to harm your child or you.

The grandmother is saying the mom was a victim too, that “some women are leaders and some are followers.” HEY GRANDMA!!! It was YOUR job to teach your daughter how to think for herself and be a leader when SHE was a child. Obviously, you didn’t get that right, so why should the state of Oklahoma give you a chance to screw things up with the three grandkids? Your daughter’s view of motherhood and marriage is totally screwed up. Where do you think she learned it? In YOUR house when she was growing up.

I get SO pissed at these “I’m a victim too” women. Children are the only true victims in these situations because they have no choices and no way to defend themselves. The mothers DO have choices and options. Yeah, they’re not always easy or pretty, but there are always better options than allowing the dick you’re with to harm your child or you.

OK im gonna try this one more time… it keeps messing up on me when i try to leave a comment… maybe its trying to tell me to keep my opinions to myself… haha yeah right!
Anyway… these people arent Christians. True Christians dont beat their children or let anyone else beat them. I get so sick of people doing stupid idiotic things and then trying to back them with the Bible. And as for her being a victim also, naaaahhhh shes FOS. I was in an abusive relationship, but i would have never let him hurt my kids. Thats our job as mothers… to protect our children even if it means risking our own lives. Sounds to me she was fine with this lifestyle since she says he was the “disciplinarian”. There is nothing wrong with allowing your husband to be that, IF thats what it is, but thats not what this was. I say lets lock her up in a cell and post the definition of “discipline” and “abuse” on her walls and let it be the only thing she gets to look at. Maybe then she will see the difference? Doubt it…

OK im gonna try this one more time… it keeps messing up on me when i try to leave a comment… maybe its trying to tell me to keep my opinions to myself… haha yeah right!
Anyway… these people arent Christians. True Christians dont beat their children or let anyone else beat them. I get so sick of people doing stupid idiotic things and then trying to back them with the Bible. And as for her being a victim also, naaaahhhh shes FOS. I was in an abusive relationship, but i would have never let him hurt my kids. Thats our job as mothers… to protect our children even if it means risking our own lives. Sounds to me she was fine with this lifestyle since she says he was the “disciplinarian”. There is nothing wrong with allowing your husband to be that, IF thats what it is, but thats not what this was. I say lets lock her up in a cell and post the definition of “discipline” and “abuse” on her walls and let it be the only thing she gets to look at. Maybe then she will see the difference? Doubt it…

I’m so sick of these women that just watch and make excuses.

I’m so sick of these women that just watch and make excuses.

Wow at mom for helping her penis mask his brutality towards that poor kid as “discipline” (sarcasm!). I’m interested to see their mugshots (yet another sarcasm!); in fact, Chrissy Price is a truly fat ugly bloated bitch and I hope that she and her penis get their asses beat down by their inmates cuz even inmates hate child abusers. I hope that poor kid finds a loving home.

Anyone else hear Dueling Banjos when they look at those mugshots? Sheesh. BTW – Mother of 3?? Where are the other kids? Did he beat them too?? can we string him up, stuff his ass full of candy and do him like a pinata?? My birthday is next week and I would love a douche bag pinata!!

Wow at mom for helping her penis mask his brutality towards that poor kid as “discipline” (sarcasm!). I’m interested to see their mugshots (yet another sarcasm!); in fact, Chrissy Price is a truly fat ugly bloated bitch and I hope that she and her penis get their asses beat down by their inmates cuz even inmates hate child abusers. I hope that poor kid finds a loving home.

Anyone else hear Dueling Banjos when they look at those mugshots? Sheesh. BTW – Mother of 3?? Where are the other kids? Did he beat them too?? can we string him up, stuff his ass full of candy and do him like a pinata?? My birthday is next week and I would love a douche bag pinata!!

I think this mother is hiding behind her excuses. There’s nothing Christian about her husband being the disciplinarian. I didn’t read anything in the article linked at the top that said they were Christians. So, I think the mother would rather have the husband and drugs than the kids.

In defense of women who do not leave their abusive husbands… In my work experience, I encountered a man whose wife chose to leave him and take the kids. He called the facility where I worked, demanded to know where his family was (cause nobody was gonna take what belonged to him). Of course, I refused to give him the info. He threatened to kill me, kill anyone near me, and kill her/kids when he found her because HE WOULD FIND HER. We had to lock down the facility, and luckily the police got him before he got to us. Not sure how long he was in jail. She was scared to death because he kept telling her that he was going to kill her and the kids. And, I do believe he would have. There are too many stories that prove it.

Another woman who left an abusive marriage and came across the country to get away from himt was staying in the hotel across from my office. He hired a PI who tracked her down. The husband flew into town, rented a car, parked outside the hotel, and stepped out of the car and shot her dead as she came out of the building.

Not all women can escape the crazies in their lives no matter how hard they try. And, some are so abused they don’t even know how.

I think this mother is hiding behind her excuses. There’s nothing Christian about her husband being the disciplinarian. I didn’t read anything in the article linked at the top that said they were Christians. So, I think the mother would rather have the husband and drugs than the kids.

In defense of women who do not leave their abusive husbands… In my work experience, I encountered a man whose wife chose to leave him and take the kids. He called the facility where I worked, demanded to know where his family was (cause nobody was gonna take what belonged to him). Of course, I refused to give him the info. He threatened to kill me, kill anyone near me, and kill her/kids when he found her because HE WOULD FIND HER. We had to lock down the facility, and luckily the police got him before he got to us. Not sure how long he was in jail. She was scared to death because he kept telling her that he was going to kill her and the kids. And, I do believe he would have. There are too many stories that prove it.

Another woman who left an abusive marriage and came across the country to get away from himt was staying in the hotel across from my office. He hired a PI who tracked her down. The husband flew into town, rented a car, parked outside the hotel, and stepped out of the car and shot her dead as she came out of the building.

Not all women can escape the crazies in their lives no matter how hard they try. And, some are so abused they don’t even know how.

haha April… I only live about half an hour away from OKC so I would love to go get them for ya!

And happy early bday to you… when is it? My sons is next week also! Big 3!

haha April… I only live about half an hour away from OKC so I would love to go get them for ya!

And happy early bday to you… when is it? My sons is next week also! Big 3!

Kathy, I do agree with you, but I think the point is… I bet those women would put their life on the line to protect their children, not just stand by and LET him beat the kids because she was scared of him. I understand all to well what its like to be in the situation. It took me awhile to get out and only found a bit of peace when he finally went to jail. I dont think being abused yourself is an excuse of allowing it to happen to your child.

Kathy, I do agree with you, but I think the point is… I bet those women would put their life on the line to protect their children, not just stand by and LET him beat the kids because she was scared of him. I understand all to well what its like to be in the situation. It took me awhile to get out and only found a bit of peace when he finally went to jail. I dont think being abused yourself is an excuse of allowing it to happen to your child.

Thanks Samantha! It’s the 7th. Happy Birthday to your little one. I’d give anything for my son to be 3 again.

NOW WHERE’S MY PINATA!!

Thanks Samantha! It’s the 7th. Happy Birthday to your little one. I’d give anything for my son to be 3 again.

NOW WHERE’S MY PINATA!!

haha April that is the same day as my sons! How funny… was my grandpa’s bday too!

haha April that is the same day as my sons! How funny… was my grandpa’s bday too!

Cute! Happy Birthday to all of us!

Cute! Happy Birthday to all of us!

Now, let me go catch us a pinata!!

Now, let me go catch us a pinata!!

Run, Samantha! You know how those baby beating pussies can run. You’re gonna have to fight dirty, too. He too manly to hit a woman.

Run, Samantha! You know how those baby beating pussies can run. You’re gonna have to fight dirty, too. He too manly to hit a woman.

I can take ‘em.

I can take ‘em.

In defense of Oklahoma: my Father-in-Law is from Oklahoma. Once daycare closes, he picks up my son and takes care of him until I get home from work. He is AWESOME with my son.

As for Mom’s protecting their kids from Dad’s: my Mom would block my Sister’s biological father from beating my Sister, taking the beating herself.

Thankfully, *my* biological Dad is awesome.

My parents both escaped horrible first marriages. After my Mom and Dad found each other, my Dad adopted my Sister.

In defense of Oklahoma: my Father-in-Law is from Oklahoma. Once daycare closes, he picks up my son and takes care of him until I get home from work. He is AWESOME with my son.

As for Mom’s protecting their kids from Dad’s: my Mom would block my Sister’s biological father from beating my Sister, taking the beating herself.

Thankfully, *my* biological Dad is awesome.

My parents both escaped horrible first marriages. After my Mom and Dad found each other, my Dad adopted my Sister.

The sad thing is … First of all Shaun Price isn’t this childs father!!!!! Yes, he is the step father! He held her under water 2 years ago, until she was kicking for air, DHS was involved and he managed to get away with it… go figure!!

The Grandmother was the one who called the authorities to let them know he was back in town, so they could do something to help the children!!! We should all pray for the children, and hope that justice will be served!! Pray for Briezy, Eternity and Faith to get past the Damage done, and grow into strong, Beautiful Human beings!!!

The sad thing is … First of all Shaun Price isn’t this childs father!!!!! Yes, he is the step father! He held her under water 2 years ago, until she was kicking for air, DHS was involved and he managed to get away with it… go figure!!

The Grandmother was the one who called the authorities to let them know he was back in town, so they could do something to help the children!!! We should all pray for the children, and hope that justice will be served!! Pray for Briezy, Eternity and Faith to get past the Damage done, and grow into strong, Beautiful Human beings!!!

and Chrissy is fat or bloated… that has nothing to do with what happend to Briezy…. and to answer the other question… He didn’t BEAT the other children!!! like i said in the previous post… Briezy isn’t his child!!! THE OTHER 2 ARE!! If the state would have done their job the first time around… non of this would have happend because His Butt would have been locked up!!! right???

and Chrissy is fat or bloated… that has nothing to do with what happend to Briezy…. and to answer the other question… He didn’t BEAT the other children!!! like i said in the previous post… Briezy isn’t his child!!! THE OTHER 2 ARE!! If the state would have done their job the first time around… non of this would have happend because His Butt would have been locked up!!! right???

Faith – Thanks for setting the record straight. He is a piece of shit man. I hope he enjoys prison. May the inmates show him as much compassion as he showed his step-daughter.

Faith – Thanks for setting the record straight. He is a piece of shit man. I hope he enjoys prison. May the inmates show him as much compassion as he showed his step-daughter.

I ♥ Samantha. Chick – You rock. Catch me that pinata. I have a baseball bat wrapped in barbwire waiting to split that bad boy open!

I ♥ Samantha. Chick – You rock. Catch me that pinata. I have a baseball bat wrapped in barbwire waiting to split that bad boy open!

Faith (and everyone else that cares about kids like I do), FYI, there’s no excuse in beating any children, not to mention stepchildren. Chrissy is what I like to call an enabler…and she really needs to stop making excuses for her penis; in fact, she cares more about her precious penis for a husband than her own children. Well, wake up call to women like her! Say, even “Oh I’m a victim, too” excuse is definitely weak and useless.

When I was younger, my whole family and their friends (and the friends’ kids) used to watch me get beaten by my sadistic brother until he moved out last year, so that’s why I get angry all the time. I can’t even believe that a so-called mom could just sit on her useless arse and let her waste of flesh for a husband beat the crap out of her own flesh and blood (her daughter named Breizy). Argh, I hate people like that! And I definitely hate mothers that think that abusive scumbags, like Shaun Pierce, are more important than their own children.

Faith (and everyone else that cares about kids like I do), FYI, there’s no excuse in beating any children, not to mention stepchildren. Chrissy is what I like to call an enabler…and she really needs to stop making excuses for her penis; in fact, she cares more about her precious penis for a husband than her own children. Well, wake up call to women like her! Say, even “Oh I’m a victim, too” excuse is definitely weak and useless.

When I was younger, my whole family and their friends (and the friends’ kids) used to watch me get beaten by my sadistic brother until he moved out last year, so that’s why I get angry all the time. I can’t even believe that a so-called mom could just sit on her useless arse and let her waste of flesh for a husband beat the crap out of her own flesh and blood (her daughter named Breizy). Argh, I hate people like that! And I definitely hate mothers that think that abusive scumbags, like Shaun Pierce, are more important than their own children.

who taught the mum that discipline is unquestioningly the father’s role??

the mum’s mum.

who taught the mum that discipline is unquestioningly the father’s role??

the mum’s mum.

Oops, I actually mean, “And I definitely hate mothers that think that abusive scumbags, like Shaun Price, are more important than their own children”.

Oops, I actually mean, “And I definitely hate mothers that think that abusive scumbags, like Shaun Price, are more important than their own children”.

“Anyway… these people arent Christians. True Christians dont beat their children or let anyone else beat them. I get so sick of people doing stupid idiotic things and then trying to back them with the Bible.”

I’m sorry – the bible is very clear that you should, SHOULD, beat your children and slaves.

Spare the rod and spoil the child. It’s very clear on that. The biblical way to live your life is to use a stick, admittedly no bigger than your thumb, to beat a child as the way to teach them about mistakes that they’ve made. Please don’t make the mistake that child-beating is unchristian. It’s IMMORAL, sure, but that says more about the bible than perhaps you want to admit.

(Oh, and the bible does say you’re not allowed to beat a slave TOO much – for instance you’re allowed to beat them so much that they stay in bed for a day, but if you beat them so much they can’t get out of bed on the second day then you’re in trouble.)

“Anyway… these people arent Christians. True Christians dont beat their children or let anyone else beat them. I get so sick of people doing stupid idiotic things and then trying to back them with the Bible.”

I’m sorry – the bible is very clear that you should, SHOULD, beat your children and slaves.

Spare the rod and spoil the child. It’s very clear on that. The biblical way to live your life is to use a stick, admittedly no bigger than your thumb, to beat a child as the way to teach them about mistakes that they’ve made. Please don’t make the mistake that child-beating is unchristian. It’s IMMORAL, sure, but that says more about the bible than perhaps you want to admit.

(Oh, and the bible does say you’re not allowed to beat a slave TOO much – for instance you’re allowed to beat them so much that they stay in bed for a day, but if you beat them so much they can’t get out of bed on the second day then you’re in trouble.)

SF Dude.. No excuses here!! just stating the facts that were left out!!! The Grandmother is only trying to help the children, she couldn’t help before because they left the state.. Shaun is a POS! Chrissy, she is at fault, she shouldn’t have allowed that to happen to her daughter… She was abused.. it was emotionally though.. he stripped her of her self worth, and twisted the word of the Bible, to suit his needs!! Have you heard of a Sociopath, well Shaun Price is that!! Look up the defintion!! I know these Children.. I was there when “Faith” was born! They are all truely Beautiful girls, who didn’t deserve to go through this…. and furthur more.. the other sibilings (chrissy’s) feel the same way we all do!!! They both need to pay for what they have done to these girls!!! The Family will not post bond!!!

SF Dude.. No excuses here!! just stating the facts that were left out!!! The Grandmother is only trying to help the children, she couldn’t help before because they left the state.. Shaun is a POS! Chrissy, she is at fault, she shouldn’t have allowed that to happen to her daughter… She was abused.. it was emotionally though.. he stripped her of her self worth, and twisted the word of the Bible, to suit his needs!! Have you heard of a Sociopath, well Shaun Price is that!! Look up the defintion!! I know these Children.. I was there when “Faith” was born! They are all truely Beautiful girls, who didn’t deserve to go through this…. and furthur more.. the other sibilings (chrissy’s) feel the same way we all do!!! They both need to pay for what they have done to these girls!!! The Family will not post bond!!!

I will say again: mothers who claim victim status because they are abused themselves are pathetic. Mothers who claim victim status because they were abused as children are liars, and pathetic. And anyone who claims victim status because of abuse in childhood, is full of shit.

Bad things happen to all of us. Some of us worse than others. But blaming your actions on something that happened to you 10, or 20, or 30 years ago is not even close to being rational. As a matter of fact, those who have been abused themselves, and know the harm that it causes, should be the ones who are even more diligent in making sure these acts are not passed on to the next generation.

And before any of you start bitching that I shouldn’t make judgments on other people unless I’ve walked a mile in their shoes, let me clear the air: I was beaten by my bio father from my earliest memories, until I was fifteen years old, at which time I threatened to kill him if he ever touched me again. I was also molested by my bio mom’s father from my earliest memories, until I turned twelve, and was given the choice to either get a job, and start paying for all of my own needs, or continue spending all of my vacation breaks from school with my grandparents. Guess which option I took? That said, I have given birth to six children of my own, and not a single one has ever been physically or sexually abused by me, nor anyone else, for that matter. My experiences served to make me hyper-vigilant where my children are concerned, and I have actually even had to force myself to NOT be OVERPROTECTIVE in most cases.

I will say again: mothers who claim victim status because they are abused themselves are pathetic. Mothers who claim victim status because they were abused as children are liars, and pathetic. And anyone who claims victim status because of abuse in childhood, is full of shit.

Bad things happen to all of us. Some of us worse than others. But blaming your actions on something that happened to you 10, or 20, or 30 years ago is not even close to being rational. As a matter of fact, those who have been abused themselves, and know the harm that it causes, should be the ones who are even more diligent in making sure these acts are not passed on to the next generation.

And before any of you start bitching that I shouldn’t make judgments on other people unless I’ve walked a mile in their shoes, let me clear the air: I was beaten by my bio father from my earliest memories, until I was fifteen years old, at which time I threatened to kill him if he ever touched me again. I was also molested by my bio mom’s father from my earliest memories, until I turned twelve, and was given the choice to either get a job, and start paying for all of my own needs, or continue spending all of my vacation breaks from school with my grandparents. Guess which option I took? That said, I have given birth to six children of my own, and not a single one has ever been physically or sexually abused by me, nor anyone else, for that matter. My experiences served to make me hyper-vigilant where my children are concerned, and I have actually even had to force myself to NOT be OVERPROTECTIVE in most cases.

Let me clarify that first paragraph in my last post. People who were abused in childhood ARE victims, but that designation ceases to be valid the moment you do the same or worse than was done to you. Claiming indemnity, or innocence, or blamelessness for your actions (when you abuse a child) because of your personal trauma in childhood, is fucked up to the highest power.

Let me clarify that first paragraph in my last post. People who were abused in childhood ARE victims, but that designation ceases to be valid the moment you do the same or worse than was done to you. Claiming indemnity, or innocence, or blamelessness for your actions (when you abuse a child) because of your personal trauma in childhood, is fucked up to the highest power.

Yeah, see, I’m totally with you. Previous abuse does not excuse condoning current abuse.

I’m just saying “Where did this current mum get the idea that it’s not ok for the wife to have a say in the method of discipline??” The answer is in all the generations of women who came before her.

This is really the first period of history where it’s considered not ok for men to rule their house with loving commands, interspersed with periods of angry violence. Historically, that’s how it goes. Heck, even my wife still got The Strap when she was at school, and she’s only 32.

I reckon 40 and 50 years ago every house would have had their implement of brutality – the strap, the cane, the whip – and Mother would handle most run of the mill transgressions and for the really bad stuff it would be “Just You Wait Until Your Father Gets Home.” And the thing is, most of those homes wouldn’t have been considered “abusive”.

I’ve got a very vivid memory of my own mum smacking me so hard with a wooden spoon that she broke the spoon on my bum – and then got angry at me for breaking her spoon!! So she went and got a bigger one!! I’ve got a memory of us on holidays and my 15 yr old big sister disagreed with Dad as to whether or not to have a shower, so he THREW her in the shower fully clothed, turned the cold tap on full and stood there belting her until his anger dissipated enough.

Even counting that, I didn’t see my home as “abusive” although a lot of experiences from my childhood come back from my memories reading through this site – like the time my mum was away for the weekend and I didn’t want to eat the gloop dad made for dinner so he held me in a head lock and physically forced me to eat the food. I was 14.

What’s my point? My point is that I thought that a lot of these things were normal. I was upset that they happened, but my mum never physically came between us and my dad. It just wasn’t done. I remember one time my dad grabbing my dressing gown to shake me as he yelled at me (in the process ruining the only artifact, the dressing gown, I’d inherited from my deceased grandfather), that she came and tried to comfort me as I was crying in my room afterwards. And she repaired the dressing gown as best she could.

My wife, now, my wife is a full foot shorter than me and if I pulled the shower trick with my kids you can guarantee she’d be between us in a second.

But even there, even if she disagrees with the way I treat the kids, she mostly stays out of it until I’m finished and then says “You handled that wrong”, because she doesn’t want to interfere. She gets furious with me when I interfere with her methods, even when she’s so angry she’s not herself. And, yes, we all get angry. But no, we don’t all turn into maniacs.

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Should it be an excuse? No, I don’t think so. But it goes some way to explain how people can let other people hurt their children. It’s very deeply ingrained in some people that discipline is important, and that it _hurt_ and that it be done be a man.

Yeah, see, I’m totally with you. Previous abuse does not excuse condoning current abuse.

I’m just saying “Where did this current mum get the idea that it’s not ok for the wife to have a say in the method of discipline??” The answer is in all the generations of women who came before her.

This is really the first period of history where it’s considered not ok for men to rule their house with loving commands, interspersed with periods of angry violence. Historically, that’s how it goes. Heck, even my wife still got The Strap when she was at school, and she’s only 32.

I reckon 40 and 50 years ago every house would have had their implement of brutality – the strap, the cane, the whip – and Mother would handle most run of the mill transgressions and for the really bad stuff it would be “Just You Wait Until Your Father Gets Home.” And the thing is, most of those homes wouldn’t have been considered “abusive”.

I’ve got a very vivid memory of my own mum smacking me so hard with a wooden spoon that she broke the spoon on my bum – and then got angry at me for breaking her spoon!! So she went and got a bigger one!! I’ve got a memory of us on holidays and my 15 yr old big sister disagreed with Dad as to whether or not to have a shower, so he THREW her in the shower fully clothed, turned the cold tap on full and stood there belting her until his anger dissipated enough.

Even counting that, I didn’t see my home as “abusive” although a lot of experiences from my childhood come back from my memories reading through this site – like the time my mum was away for the weekend and I didn’t want to eat the gloop dad made for dinner so he held me in a head lock and physically forced me to eat the food. I was 14.

What’s my point? My point is that I thought that a lot of these things were normal. I was upset that they happened, but my mum never physically came between us and my dad. It just wasn’t done. I remember one time my dad grabbing my dressing gown to shake me as he yelled at me (in the process ruining the only artifact, the dressing gown, I’d inherited from my deceased grandfather), that she came and tried to comfort me as I was crying in my room afterwards. And she repaired the dressing gown as best she could.

My wife, now, my wife is a full foot shorter than me and if I pulled the shower trick with my kids you can guarantee she’d be between us in a second.

But even there, even if she disagrees with the way I treat the kids, she mostly stays out of it until I’m finished and then says “You handled that wrong”, because she doesn’t want to interfere. She gets furious with me when I interfere with her methods, even when she’s so angry she’s not herself. And, yes, we all get angry. But no, we don’t all turn into maniacs.

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Should it be an excuse? No, I don’t think so. But it goes some way to explain how people can let other people hurt their children. It’s very deeply ingrained in some people that discipline is important, and that it _hurt_ and that it be done be a man.

Discipline IS necessary, Brent. I have been known to spank my own children on occasion. But there is a difference between discipline and abuse. You have to know where to draw the line. And any time a disciplinary action is performed while you are still angry with the child, it is all too easy for it to escalate into abuse.

I try to make sure I am calm before I discipline my children, even if it means sending them to their room for a few minutes (or more), while I get control of myself. Hell, when my three-year-old emptied an entire (44 oz.) bottle of Super Strength Cleaner onto my laptop which was only a few months old, I was so mad I couldn’t see straight. I spent more than four hours in my backyard, because I didn’t feel I could even be around her without saying something mean. I didn’t fully calm down for three days. Consequently, my daughter never GOT disciplined for that little stunt. Because by the time I was calm enough to address the topic without crying or swearing (three days), she (as a three-year-old) had already forgotten the incident. And I don’t think that punishing her would have been fair – she wouldn’t have known what she was being spanked for, she would have just thought Mommy was being mean.

As I said, I believe that there is a time and a place for discipline, but that is never a good option if you are still angry. Have I ever swatted my child’s bottom immediately after they did something wrong? Yes, because I am not perfect. Do I habitually beat them the instant they mess up? No! And most of the time when I do swat them, it is more to get their attention, than to cause pain. Indeed, my oldest daughter (now 19) has told me several times that most of the spankings she got as a child were, to quote her, “pathetic”. Then she laughed.

Discipline IS necessary, Brent. I have been known to spank my own children on occasion. But there is a difference between discipline and abuse. You have to know where to draw the line. And any time a disciplinary action is performed while you are still angry with the child, it is all too easy for it to escalate into abuse.

I try to make sure I am calm before I discipline my children, even if it means sending them to their room for a few minutes (or more), while I get control of myself. Hell, when my three-year-old emptied an entire (44 oz.) bottle of Super Strength Cleaner onto my laptop which was only a few months old, I was so mad I couldn’t see straight. I spent more than four hours in my backyard, because I didn’t feel I could even be around her without saying something mean. I didn’t fully calm down for three days. Consequently, my daughter never GOT disciplined for that little stunt. Because by the time I was calm enough to address the topic without crying or swearing (three days), she (as a three-year-old) had already forgotten the incident. And I don’t think that punishing her would have been fair – she wouldn’t have known what she was being spanked for, she would have just thought Mommy was being mean.

As I said, I believe that there is a time and a place for discipline, but that is never a good option if you are still angry. Have I ever swatted my child’s bottom immediately after they did something wrong? Yes, because I am not perfect. Do I habitually beat them the instant they mess up? No! And most of the time when I do swat them, it is more to get their attention, than to cause pain. Indeed, my oldest daughter (now 19) has told me several times that most of the spankings she got as a child were, to quote her, “pathetic”. Then she laughed.

Chrissy Price was never abused as a child.. She never even recieved a spanking.. This isn’t the victom of child abuse.. She was just warped into thinking that he was “The Man!” and what he said went!! She shouldn’t have been a jellyfish!!! She should have pulled out her “piece of iron” (Iron skillet) and beat him with it!! I was abused as a child, in other ways… and I certainly would beat a man down if he tried to do those things to my children!! Btw Briezy starts school again today!! SOOO happy for her, she really hasn’t had an opportunity to experience school yet!! This is the begining of new dreams for her!! Don’t forget to pray!

Chrissy Price was never abused as a child.. She never even recieved a spanking.. This isn’t the victom of child abuse.. She was just warped into thinking that he was “The Man!” and what he said went!! She shouldn’t have been a jellyfish!!! She should have pulled out her “piece of iron” (Iron skillet) and beat him with it!! I was abused as a child, in other ways… and I certainly would beat a man down if he tried to do those things to my children!! Btw Briezy starts school again today!! SOOO happy for her, she really hasn’t had an opportunity to experience school yet!! This is the begining of new dreams for her!! Don’t forget to pray!

Brent:
Spare the rod, spoil the child… why does that always get brought up? I dont see anywhere in that sentence that says “beat the shit out of your kids”. There has actually been some research dont that shows “rod” may have meant something totally different in the old language, something like learning or education or whatever. Im no scholar or expert and never claimed to be but I have read that somewhere. As for the Bible saying its also OK to beat slaves… well think back as to what time in history it was written… Its not OK to even have slaves now days just as it is not OK to beat your children. Find somewhere else in the Bible where it says to beat your kids…. and dont use the “spare your rod” example.

Brent:
Spare the rod, spoil the child… why does that always get brought up? I dont see anywhere in that sentence that says “beat the shit out of your kids”. There has actually been some research dont that shows “rod” may have meant something totally different in the old language, something like learning or education or whatever. Im no scholar or expert and never claimed to be but I have read that somewhere. As for the Bible saying its also OK to beat slaves… well think back as to what time in history it was written… Its not OK to even have slaves now days just as it is not OK to beat your children. Find somewhere else in the Bible where it says to beat your kids…. and dont use the “spare your rod” example.

you know what I just cant understand, and you read about it over and over and over again, this POS thought he could beat up a tiny little girl cause in his head, she wasnt his. I cant stand it when I hear about step parents (or boyfriends/girlsfriend) treat kids badly because they are theres. I have a step baby,the thing is she isnt technically my step baby, my now ex husband cheated on my and knocked this girl up, well while we tried very hard to reconcile and it obviously didnt work out, I had to accept the fact that an innocent life was brought into this world by two idiots, but she didnt ask to be born, I have been taking care of her since birth, she is like another one of my own kids, and no matter what, she will always be my son’s sister, it just breaks my heart to hear about people who treat kids that arent biologically their own differently or badly, OK off my soap box.
In Oklahoma, before you can get divorced if you have kids, you have to take a day long parenting class, I wish that was a topic they would touch on, is that alot or most of the people who get divirced are probably going to date or marry someone with kids, it should be common sense (but we all know how much common sense people have now days) that those kids come with the package, they didnt chose it, but they are there and you better learn to deal with it.

you know what I just cant understand, and you read about it over and over and over again, this POS thought he could beat up a tiny little girl cause in his head, she wasnt his. I cant stand it when I hear about step parents (or boyfriends/girlsfriend) treat kids badly because they are theres. I have a step baby,the thing is she isnt technically my step baby, my now ex husband cheated on my and knocked this girl up, well while we tried very hard to reconcile and it obviously didnt work out, I had to accept the fact that an innocent life was brought into this world by two idiots, but she didnt ask to be born, I have been taking care of her since birth, she is like another one of my own kids, and no matter what, she will always be my son’s sister, it just breaks my heart to hear about people who treat kids that arent biologically their own differently or badly, OK off my soap box.
In Oklahoma, before you can get divorced if you have kids, you have to take a day long parenting class, I wish that was a topic they would touch on, is that alot or most of the people who get divirced are probably going to date or marry someone with kids, it should be common sense (but we all know how much common sense people have now days) that those kids come with the package, they didnt chose it, but they are there and you better learn to deal with it.

I agree with you Jenny. I didnt know that you had to do that here in OKlahoma. But of course I have never been married either. I know for myself personally I put that out there to every guy I have any interest in. Though I may not let them meet my kids or be around them, they know that they are there and that we are a package deal. I have actually had to break it off before because he just couldnt handle the fact that I had a kid who got more attention from me than him! But yeah they will always be my #1!

I agree with you Jenny. I didnt know that you had to do that here in OKlahoma. But of course I have never been married either. I know for myself personally I put that out there to every guy I have any interest in. Though I may not let them meet my kids or be around them, they know that they are there and that we are a package deal. I have actually had to break it off before because he just couldnt handle the fact that I had a kid who got more attention from me than him! But yeah they will always be my #1!

Samantha – your a good, smart girl. I wish more girls were like you. I think that these parenting classes should be manditory if you have to have a paternity test done (like in the case of my ex, paternity had to be established by the court in order for her to legally demand child support) and I think paternity has to be determined before you can collect any state aid (then the state makes the dad pay child support). Not saying that anyone who attended the class actually took anything away from it, most of them were there cause they had to, a few people where sleeping (my ex and I actually went to the class together).
PS – Where you at? I’m in Norman (damn the weather sucks today)

Samantha – your a good, smart girl. I wish more girls were like you. I think that these parenting classes should be manditory if you have to have a paternity test done (like in the case of my ex, paternity had to be established by the court in order for her to legally demand child support) and I think paternity has to be determined before you can collect any state aid (then the state makes the dad pay child support). Not saying that anyone who attended the class actually took anything away from it, most of them were there cause they had to, a few people where sleeping (my ex and I actually went to the class together).
PS – Where you at? I’m in Norman (damn the weather sucks today)

No One should ever make excuses for wither of them. You should Never have a child if you can’t control your anger. They are kids and will not be perfect> if they spill a bottle of cleaner then its your own fault for not watching them they dont know that if i do this im ruining a new laptop. They are KIDS i have a one and three year old sometime they do things that are frustrating but i know that they are a beautifull PRIVLIDGE that was givin to me. too many people view children as a right. DO NOT have children if you are not capable of cherishing your children all the time.
I do not care what situation you are in its such a bs excuse that these women have no where to go move and get a job. I would’t have to worry about moving because if i had a husband who ever even thought about hurting my child he would be dead. It is NEVER ok to hurt a child. All these “people” that think that it is you should be beaten anytime you dont listen to someone or disagree with someone. My kids are amazing because they have been raised with unconditional love and kindness no they are not perfect and i dont expect them to be becuase they are KIDS. SO please do not have kids if they are not the most important thing in your life.

No One should ever make excuses for wither of them. You should Never have a child if you can’t control your anger. They are kids and will not be perfect> if they spill a bottle of cleaner then its your own fault for not watching them they dont know that if i do this im ruining a new laptop. They are KIDS i have a one and three year old sometime they do things that are frustrating but i know that they are a beautifull PRIVLIDGE that was givin to me. too many people view children as a right. DO NOT have children if you are not capable of cherishing your children all the time.
I do not care what situation you are in its such a bs excuse that these women have no where to go move and get a job. I would’t have to worry about moving because if i had a husband who ever even thought about hurting my child he would be dead. It is NEVER ok to hurt a child. All these “people” that think that it is you should be beaten anytime you dont listen to someone or disagree with someone. My kids are amazing because they have been raised with unconditional love and kindness no they are not perfect and i dont expect them to be becuase they are KIDS. SO please do not have kids if they are not the most important thing in your life.

kristin:
Pay attention next time girl! I said my three year old did not, let me repeat – DID NOT – get disciplined for destroying my laptop (and she didn’t spill it – she sprayed it – which took some pretty determined effort on her part in order to empty almost the entire bottle, LOL). By the time I could have been calm during a discussion about the incident, she had already forgotten it, and I don’t punish my children for things they can’t remember. My fifteen year old did get grounded for the length of time it took to get my laptop repaired and back home, though (which amounted to about 2 weeks), because she was told to watch her little sister while I had a shower that day. I asked her exactly what she had been doing while I was showering, and she mumbled something under her breath, so I figure she was probably talking on the phone, and only peripherally aware of her sister’s activities.

kristin:
Pay attention next time girl! I said my three year old did not, let me repeat – DID NOT – get disciplined for destroying my laptop (and she didn’t spill it – she sprayed it – which took some pretty determined effort on her part in order to empty almost the entire bottle, LOL). By the time I could have been calm during a discussion about the incident, she had already forgotten it, and I don’t punish my children for things they can’t remember. My fifteen year old did get grounded for the length of time it took to get my laptop repaired and back home, though (which amounted to about 2 weeks), because she was told to watch her little sister while I had a shower that day. I asked her exactly what she had been doing while I was showering, and she mumbled something under her breath, so I figure she was probably talking on the phone, and only peripherally aware of her sister’s activities.

Angel, I think you did the right thing.

Jenny I am in Shawnee, so really not that far! What a small small world huh?

Angel, I think you did the right thing.

Jenny I am in Shawnee, so really not that far! What a small small world huh?

One more thing, as for what kristin said about not watching your kid… it is impossible to watch your child 24/7. Believe me, I try. As a single parent of 2 I try my best to be aware of everything both of my children are doing at all times. But we DO need… say, a shower… every now and then! You didnt do anything wrong so dont let her think you did! I know at my house a shower is about the only alone time I get, unless they actually go to sleep early. But normally once they pass out I pass out with them. I dont even get to use the rest room by myself anymore haha… So I understand exactly where you are coming from!

One more thing, as for what kristin said about not watching your kid… it is impossible to watch your child 24/7. Believe me, I try. As a single parent of 2 I try my best to be aware of everything both of my children are doing at all times. But we DO need… say, a shower… every now and then! You didnt do anything wrong so dont let her think you did! I know at my house a shower is about the only alone time I get, unless they actually go to sleep early. But normally once they pass out I pass out with them. I dont even get to use the rest room by myself anymore haha… So I understand exactly where you are coming from!

Thanks, Samantha.

Thanks, Samantha.

Having six children, I have come to the conclusion that I will have time to myself again sometime around the year 2025. Maybe not even then. And I am extremely paranoid about my kids. Since my fifteen year old has gone to spend some time with her father, I take my showers either before the kids wake up, or after they go to bed. And still they manage to find ways to get into mischief. It’s not lack of diligence, it’s just the nature of the child to explore their boundaries, and see how far they can be stretched without negative consequences. Any parent who says that their child never got into something they weren’t supposed to as a child either has a quadriplegic for a child, or kept them locked in a tiny cell until they were 18. I quit trying to be perfect years ago. Now I happily settle for “pretty good mom, with healthy, happy children”. Those who strive for perfection either burn out quickly, or pass their paranoia on to their kids. And there’s only room for one paranoid nutcase in this house, and I’m it!

Having six children, I have come to the conclusion that I will have time to myself again sometime around the year 2025. Maybe not even then. And I am extremely paranoid about my kids. Since my fifteen year old has gone to spend some time with her father, I take my showers either before the kids wake up, or after they go to bed. And still they manage to find ways to get into mischief. It’s not lack of diligence, it’s just the nature of the child to explore their boundaries, and see how far they can be stretched without negative consequences. Any parent who says that their child never got into something they weren’t supposed to as a child either has a quadriplegic for a child, or kept them locked in a tiny cell until they were 18. I quit trying to be perfect years ago. Now I happily settle for “pretty good mom, with healthy, happy children”. Those who strive for perfection either burn out quickly, or pass their paranoia on to their kids. And there’s only room for one paranoid nutcase in this house, and I’m it!

And just when the kids get old enough to move out and be on their own and you think you will have some time to yourself, BOOM… you have grand kids! haha…

And just when the kids get old enough to move out and be on their own and you think you will have some time to yourself, BOOM… you have grand kids! haha…

Or, in my case, I may have them both at the same time. My oldest is almost 20, and my youngest is three. My oldest will be done with college in another three years or so, and may think about settling down and having kids……..

Or, in my case, I may have them both at the same time. My oldest is almost 20, and my youngest is three. My oldest will be done with college in another three years or so, and may think about settling down and having kids……..

Faith, I’m with you, and I’m sorry about your childhood. I was abused as a child, too, and I’m not going to let anyone get away with abusing any of my future children. Whoever would just stand back and act chickenshit and not do anything about their evil precious penises (like Shaun Price the twisted son of a bitch) should never have been blessed with any children at all; in fact, she actually forgot that she had three blessings, with Briezy being one of them. I know it sounds crazy, but when I will have children someday, I swear, I’d rather jump in front of the car for them myself! Sometimes I wish I’d have 50 minutes alone with Shaun Price and that chickenshit so-called mom myself.

Faith, I’m with you, and I’m sorry about your childhood. I was abused as a child, too, and I’m not going to let anyone get away with abusing any of my future children. Whoever would just stand back and act chickenshit and not do anything about their evil precious penises (like Shaun Price the twisted son of a bitch) should never have been blessed with any children at all; in fact, she actually forgot that she had three blessings, with Briezy being one of them. I know it sounds crazy, but when I will have children someday, I swear, I’d rather jump in front of the car for them myself! Sometimes I wish I’d have 50 minutes alone with Shaun Price and that chickenshit so-called mom myself.

SFDude, need someone to drive the get-away-car when you do that?

SFDude, need someone to drive the get-away-car when you do that?

Angel,
I wasn’t saying that kids dont get anything just that when they do it shouldn’t be a big deal because they are kids and that will happen because we can’t watch them 24/7 im just saying that when my girls make a mess or break somthing i can’t get mad because i was not watching them close enough.

Angel,
I wasn’t saying that kids dont get anything just that when they do it shouldn’t be a big deal because they are kids and that will happen because we can’t watch them 24/7 im just saying that when my girls make a mess or break somthing i can’t get mad because i was not watching them close enough.

SithSnoopy, what is the get-away-car? Never heard of it, but if you really are implying about “jumping in front of the car/bus/van for your kids”, then this must mean that I would do what I can to protect my future children from getting hurt/beaten/killed by any men that are sociopaths (like Shaun Price for example). Unlike that chickenshit so-called mom named Chrissy Price. LOL

SithSnoopy, what is the get-away-car? Never heard of it, but if you really are implying about “jumping in front of the car/bus/van for your kids”, then this must mean that I would do what I can to protect my future children from getting hurt/beaten/killed by any men that are sociopaths (like Shaun Price for example). Unlike that chickenshit so-called mom named Chrissy Price. LOL

SFDude, seriously? You’ve never heard of a “get-away” car?

If someone is robbing a bank, they usually have someone outside, parked nearby, in the “get-away” car. Then, when the criminal runs out of the bank, he jumps into the car, and the car’s driver drives them the heck out of there.

You said: “Sometimes I wish I’d have 50 minutes alone with Shaun Price and that chickenshit so-called mom myself.”

I assumed that, once you were finished, you’d need to get out of there really fast. Hence my offer to drive the “get-away car”.

Or were you just pulling my leg about not understanding what a get-away car is?

SFDude, seriously? You’ve never heard of a “get-away” car?

If someone is robbing a bank, they usually have someone outside, parked nearby, in the “get-away” car. Then, when the criminal runs out of the bank, he jumps into the car, and the car’s driver drives them the heck out of there.

You said: “Sometimes I wish I’d have 50 minutes alone with Shaun Price and that chickenshit so-called mom myself.”

I assumed that, once you were finished, you’d need to get out of there really fast. Hence my offer to drive the “get-away car”.

Or were you just pulling my leg about not understanding what a get-away car is?

Samantha.

“Spare the rod, spoil the child… why does that always get brought up? I dont see anywhere in that sentence that says “beat the shit out of your kids”. There has actually been some research dont that shows “rod” may have meant something totally different in the old language, something like learning or education or whatever. Im no scholar or expert and never claimed to be but I have read that somewhere.”

Yeah, see that’s the things isn’t it?

I’m not interested in what the research shows was written or was intended. Emphasis on was.

God intended the bible to be a tool of wisdom for all people throughout the ages and intended that all people be able to use it as a black and white handbook on how to live their lives. He intended this to be true for all languages in all times – his intention was, and you would imagine God to be capable of this, that his words would convey clear and concise instructions even after multiple restranslations, because His word is inerrant, and of all the digital and perfect ways that he chose to deliver his message this is the perfect and digital way he chose to deliver it.

Whatever is DID say in Hebrew, it DOES say, in plain, black and white English “Spare the rod spoil the child.” Any research that shows that to not be God’s original intent, or that shows that God’s Message changes depending on what language you’re talking about, invalidates the entire premise of the Bible.

You’d better hope that the research doesn’t show the message changing over time. Because God wouldn’t do that to us.

Samantha.

“Spare the rod, spoil the child… why does that always get brought up? I dont see anywhere in that sentence that says “beat the shit out of your kids”. There has actually been some research dont that shows “rod” may have meant something totally different in the old language, something like learning or education or whatever. Im no scholar or expert and never claimed to be but I have read that somewhere.”

Yeah, see that’s the things isn’t it?

I’m not interested in what the research shows was written or was intended. Emphasis on was.

God intended the bible to be a tool of wisdom for all people throughout the ages and intended that all people be able to use it as a black and white handbook on how to live their lives. He intended this to be true for all languages in all times – his intention was, and you would imagine God to be capable of this, that his words would convey clear and concise instructions even after multiple restranslations, because His word is inerrant, and of all the digital and perfect ways that he chose to deliver his message this is the perfect and digital way he chose to deliver it.

Whatever is DID say in Hebrew, it DOES say, in plain, black and white English “Spare the rod spoil the child.” Any research that shows that to not be God’s original intent, or that shows that God’s Message changes depending on what language you’re talking about, invalidates the entire premise of the Bible.

You’d better hope that the research doesn’t show the message changing over time. Because God wouldn’t do that to us.

SithSnoopy, I believe you. I see.

SithSnoopy, I believe you. I see.

Brent, Im not saying His message has changed, Im saying that they are different interpretations of what is actually meant by “spare the rod”. The Bible was not originally written in English, so it could have meant something entirely different than how it is being percieved.
Besides, like I stated in my earlier post, I dont see anywhere in that statement that says to beat your children, or anything that justifies beating your children. There is a big big difference between sparing the rod aka discipline and beating your child with a rod aka abuse…
And no I dont think the messages of the Bible changes over time and if anything in my comment implied that I think that then I didnt write my comment very well, which happens a lot.
Point being… Using the Bible to try to justify beating your children in a lame excuse.

Brent, Im not saying His message has changed, Im saying that they are different interpretations of what is actually meant by “spare the rod”. The Bible was not originally written in English, so it could have meant something entirely different than how it is being percieved.
Besides, like I stated in my earlier post, I dont see anywhere in that statement that says to beat your children, or anything that justifies beating your children. There is a big big difference between sparing the rod aka discipline and beating your child with a rod aka abuse…
And no I dont think the messages of the Bible changes over time and if anything in my comment implied that I think that then I didnt write my comment very well, which happens a lot.
Point being… Using the Bible to try to justify beating your children in a lame excuse.

My grandfather was a Southern Baptist minister in East TN. We were taught that passage “spare the rod and spoil the child” was meant literally. You are to spare the rod so you spoil the child. Children were not meant to be beaten, they were meant to be treasured.

I’m not saying all congregations were taught that. It’s what my granddad taught his congregation.

vg

My grandfather was a Southern Baptist minister in East TN. We were taught that passage “spare the rod and spoil the child” was meant literally. You are to spare the rod so you spoil the child. Children were not meant to be beaten, they were meant to be treasured.

I’m not saying all congregations were taught that. It’s what my granddad taught his congregation.

vg

VegasGirl,

I love your granddad. If I was in his neck of the woods I would have become Baptist for the honor of helping him spread “The Word.”

I’ve never seen his interpretation, we know that quote is most frequently used as an excuse to abuse children.

Children are GOD’S greatest gift and our most valuable asset. So very sorry everyone doesn’t practice your granddad’s take. Imagine the love all children would know by following that one simple rule.

I realize this is a day late, but surely not a dollar short. LCM

VegasGirl,

I love your granddad. If I was in his neck of the woods I would have become Baptist for the honor of helping him spread “The Word.”

I’ve never seen his interpretation, we know that quote is most frequently used as an excuse to abuse children.

Children are GOD’S greatest gift and our most valuable asset. So very sorry everyone doesn’t practice your granddad’s take. Imagine the love all children would know by following that one simple rule.

I realize this is a day late, but surely not a dollar short. LCM

“So is a motor home a step up or a step down from a trailer?”

I'd say it's a step down. At least one can put a foundation under a trailer & disguise it. There's no disguising a motor home.

SF Dude.. No excuses here!! just stating the facts that were left out!!! The Grandmother is only trying to help the children, she couldn’t help before because they left the state.. Shaun is a POS! Chrissy, she is at fault, she shouldn’t have allowed that to happen to her daughter… She was abused.. it was emotionally though.. he stripped her of her self worth, and twisted the word of the Bible, to suit his needs!! Have you heard of a Sociopath, well Shaun Price is that!! Look up the defintion!! I know these Children.. I was there when “Faith” was born! They are all truely Beautiful girls, who didn’t deserve to go through this…. and furthur more.. the other sibilings (chrissy’s) feel the same way we all do!!! They both need to pay for what they have done to these girls!!! The Family will not post bond!!!