As far as I’m aware, provocation is no longer an acceptable defence to assault and/or murder. At least, not in my jurisdiction. So it’s pretty likely that Reed wouldn’t have gotten off his assault charge.

Still, I’d probably have ripped the bastard (Messieri) apart with my bare hands.

I’m happy to find out that it was not just an urban legend. I too, think the father should have been given a medal. And a ticker-tape parade. And the keys to the city……oh, and a couple of new guns with a lifetime supply of ammo, along with the addresses of other child rapists in the area. Nah…just send those last ones to me…..lol.

One of the reasons I love this site so much is because I get to converse with others who, for the most part, have the same view of these abusive freaks as I do. I have been called on the carpet by a few ‘flaming libs’ before, due to my absolute approval of the DP for these animals. One of them even told me that if I had to actually witness the deaths of these people, I would change my mind. I told her that the only thing about my opinion that might change was whether I thought the proper form of euthanasia was being used (I think hanging should be brought back, or drawing and quartering). Not only would it not bother me to watch one of these rapists/molesters die, but I would happily flip the switch myself, singing “Tra-la-la-boom-dee-ay, your goose gets cooked today!” (or whatever other appropriate ditty might pop into my head) at the very top of my lungs. Animals who violate children in such a manner deserve the very worst the penal system has to offer.

Shut the fuck up.  You aren’t even close to being right!  I’m the biggest bitch that ever was – Unless I like you.  Period.

I have been waiting FOREVER to hear you say those words.  *swoon*

Sorry! You know I love ya, Princess. <3

I find it hard to separate retribution from self defense in my own mind, in cases like these. Probably because I had a nightmare of a childhood myself, and I know what it’s like to be abused. The feelings of self-loathing, shame, fear, anger, depression…..and the trust issues…. are a lifetime ‘gift’ to the abused child. It is all but impossible to trust a man once you have been used in such a manner. So, in my informed and considered opinion, I believe the abuse continues even after the physical act is over. And I believe ridding the world of the depraved animals who abuse children does ‘save’ them from future harm, whether the abuse is ongoing or not. If my mother’s father had been arrested, beaten, or killed, it would have gone a long way towards renewing my spirit. He walked. Bastard.

I’ll tell you of a case I heard of (a lawyer friend told me), and let you decide if you believe it turned out right. I was told it happened in Atlanta, but I could have been misinformed. Here’s the case:

An 8-year-old boy was raped (multiple times, over a period of months before he finally told someone), and his rapist was put in jail, then released on bail. He skipped. The guy went to another state, and had raped two more children before he was apprehended several months later. The first boy was scared to leave his home, and was completely traumatized, knowing that his assailant could ‘escape’ so easily. He lost faith in the legal system. Even after the guy was caught in the neighboring state and jailed there, the boy was terrified that he would ‘come back for him’. The boy’s father was told by one of the case detectives that the man was being extradited back to their state to stand trial, so he did a little research on his own, to find out that the rapist was being flown in under heavy guard to the Atlanta airport. He also found out that this same person had been jailed twice before, for several years each time, for sexually assaulting other children. He was livid. After a little more digging, the father figured out the flight number and arrival time of the rapist, and went to the airport with a couple of semi-autos that had been modified to full-auto (illegally). This was more than fifteen years ago, before you had to have a full cavity search and x-ray to even look at the planes from the fence, lol. Anyway, the father went to the airport, wearing a trenchcoat and concealing the firearms. He hid in a phone booth (which were also still popular at that time) near the terminal the rapist was coming in through. The animal got off the plane surrounded by guards, since this case had already received heavy state and local media coverage. Two guards in front, two in back, and two on either side of the walking piece of sh**. The father stepped from the phone booth, pointed the guns at the predator, and yelled loudly a couple of times to the officers, “DUCK!”. The officers hit the floor, and the father emptied the guns on the guy. He then threw down the firearms, held out his hands and said to the guards “Arrest me.”

There were eight guards, and innumerable other witnesses in the airport who saw the murder, and the father’s fingerprints were on the guns, and the bullets. The father admitted in open court that he shot the man. Not a single witness present that day (other than the father) admitted to seeing anything. The guards said they all had their faces to the floor, and could not say with any certainty that the father was actually the one who fired the weapons. Ditto for the other airport patrons. The jury found the father not guilty of murder….but he was given probation for possessing an illegally modified firearm. A misdemeanor. He paid a fine and walked. I call that justice.

Many people may think that since the guy was in custody he was not a threat to others at that time, but I disagree. He had already been incarcerated twice for similar offenses, and had escaped from authorities to rape two other children AFTER he raped the 8-year-old. I think he was a menace to society. Animals like that can not be rehabilitated, and as long as they draw breath, they are a danger to children, due to the flawed legal system we have.

The 8-year old went to court every day of his father’s trial, and sat behind him with his hand over the railing, holding his father’s hand the entire time. He was no longer afraid to leave his house, because the bastard was DEAD!!! That’s as much ‘defense of another’ as catching someone in the act, as far as I’m concerned. It may not have saved the boy from physical harm, but it went a hell of a long way toward healing his psyche.

As I said, this story was told to me by a lawyer. I am not claiming that it IS true, but I have no reason to doubt the source. Even if it’s not true, it should be. ;-P You can decide for yourself whether or not to believe it, or try googling it – I don’t care to google it myself, I’ll just go on believing that maybe SOMETIMES the law does work for the good of society. I HOPE it happened.

Now that I have entertained you with what may or may not be a true story, I’ll say again……I think that killing a child molester is a public service. I applaud that man for punching the molester.

LK,
I disagree. If you caught someone molesting your daughter and killed them for it, you would NOT deserve to go to jail. It would be done in defense of a child. Same as self-defense. Just as, if someone broke into my house and came at my child (or me) with a weapon, I would shoot him dead, and would be completely justified in doing it. It’s called self defense. It applies to retributive assault on someone assaulting you, a family member, friend, or even a complete stranger, in order to save a life or prevent further harm to that person. And it is not deserving of ANY jail time. Ask any judge – I’m sure he will confirm that. Molestation/sexual assault of a minor is a potentially deadly act to the child (think of an infant being raped by its father). The penetration alone can rupture several internal organs. Children, and teenagers, of all ages have been RAPED TO DEATH. The violence used to subdue the victim can cause death, and in the case of petite children (as with babies) the act itself can cause fatal injury.

Sorry for the graphic rant, but, I stand by my original opinion. Assault or murder in retribution for someone sexually assaulting a child (any child), is self defense, and therefore not a chargeable (is that a word? I guess so, since spell check didn’t alert me) offense. Again, just my opinion. And you are still entitled to yours, as is Bri.

P.S. Bri’s been here for a while, and sometimes we agree, sometimes we don’t; but all in all I like her and am glad she stayed. I hope you continue to post too, LK. Welcome!

I believe if you commit a crime, and something happens to you in jail, it is what it is. You should have never put yourself into the situation where the penalty is incarceration. I never said that all prision justice is deserved (and if I implied that, it was not my intention), but if you end up in prison or jail because of your own actions, you knew the possibilities of being assaulted while incarcerated was there. I looked up Rodney Hulin, and that does nothing to change my position. He didn’t need to end up in the situation he was in, he chose to go to trial, rather than accept a plea that would have given him boot camp and probation. My take on that is he thought he would fail (not saying much about his confidence in him not breaking the law), so instead of doing a little hard work to correct himself, he CHOSE the eight years in prison. That’s how he ended up in the situation he was in. There is WAY more to it than a 17 year old set a garbage can on fire, went to prison, was raped, and killed himself.

The word was in quotes because that was the word you used, and I don’t think that getting smacked around a little bit is in any way even close to being brutalized.

You must have never been a victim of anything, because let me tell you, I have and yes, retribution helps.

No, you did not suggest that, nor did it come across that way. The reason I added that is you were making such a big deal about the Constitutional rights of criminals, I was just reminding you that I have those same rights. Plus it was a little bitchy, and I’m nothing if not a little bitchy.

LK, I just want to address one point in your very well-reasoned argument. Yes, the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” is the very foundation of our justice system, and one that has almost certainly saved the lives of millions of innocent people since our country was founded.

That said, when our founding fathers conceived this concept, they could not possibly have imagined the kind of proof — from DNA to digital images — that can easily be obtained today. Nor could they likely have imagined the kind of evil acts that now occur in our society — things like a father shooting his newborn son with a shotgun in front of multiple witnesses, including a cop, or a pediatrician video taping himself raping children as young as 2 years old.

I think in cases where there is such uncontrovertible proof as, say, a video tape of a man molesting a child in which the man’s face is clearly identifiable, that “innocent until proven guilty” concept needs to be set aside in the face of reality. Due process, when there is that kind of evidence, should consist of a fast-track through the system, with evidence being reviewed by a judge and sentence being passed immediately. In murder cases or child molestation cases with that type of evidence, give convicted persons one appeal to prove the evidence wrong, and that’s it.

Finally, in cases where an adult has sexually abused a child, death is the only truly just punishment that protects the victim and society from an evil that cannot be rehabilitated.

And in principal, I agree with you that vigilanteism isn’t the way to go. But the mother in me can’t help but applaud the inmate who jumped this piece of human excrement.

Actually, there haven’t been “many” cases of false accusations. Statistically speaking, only 1-4% of all accusations are false. Of that 1-4%, 75% are reported by adults and 25% are reported by children. So children are only making it up 1/2% of the time.

Most sex crimes, and especially those committed against children, go unreported, so consider what that means to those stats.

Don’t be at all surprised if it comes to light that Mr. Reed was a victim of child sexual abuse when he was a child. It would go a long way to explaining that.

This makes me think of Robert Allan Smith who was serving a 38yr sentence for battery stabbed inmate Michael Wedmore 37 times with a sharpened putty knife.
(Wedmore was serving a 60 year sentence for the murder of his girlfriend’s 2 year old child in Hamilton County)

For that he has been executed… Our systen is screwed totally when that kind of thing can happen.

These child abusers should be prison fodder as far as I’m concerned

You're correct that his constitutional rights were not violated because the man who attacked him was charged. I was referring to vigilante justice in general.

I just want to get this straight, you think that a person who goes to jail for, say, setting a dumpster on fire deserves to be raped (this has actually happened, to a minor no-less. See: Rodney Hulin)? Furthermore, are you aware that inmates that haven't been convicted yet are sometimes (often?) kept with the general population? Does a person who isn't even convicted deserve to be raped?

And why “brutalizing” in quotes? I wasn't referring to the assault in the story (which wouldn't really be considered brutality) but rather what prison justice entails. Regardless of whether or not you feel like a person deserves it, the definition, “to attack someone in a savage and violent way”, applies.

You make a fair point about the mother, but I question whether or not retribution actually helps victims move on. I couldn't find any studies on it, but it would be interesting to see, I think. In cases where the perpetrator is related to the victim (as often is), it may be more complicated because of conflicting emotions the victim may have about the perpetrator.

It certainly is your constitutional right to voice your opinion, and I don't think I've suggested otherwise. If my reply somehow came across that way, I apologize.

I'm not sure how to reply to you, I mostly agree with the things you've said, but then again I don't. I don't agree that his Constitutional rights are being violated, he was a victim (it sickens me to call him that) of a crime. Period. The other inmate that attacked him was not “allowed” to do that, and you know as well as I do that sexual predators are protected in prison. His Constitutional rights are protected by the government, and if he or any other scumbag think that those rights are being violated, then he is well within his rights to sue, now isn't he?

As far as inmate on inmate violence, I have no problem with it whatsoever. If you commit a crime, especially one towards a child, you have lost some of those rights. I feel the same way towards drug dealers, thieves, arsonists, you name it. Once you take those rights and wipe your ass with them, you shouldn't have those rights any longer.

And no, “brutalizing” a child molester (what the fuck do you call what he did to an innocent child?) won't unscar the child, but maybe the child will be able to move past what happened if the monster paid for what he did, don't ya think? Don't you think that the parent deserves some type of retribution as well?

This is conversation is all pretty much moot, considering the law says the same thing you say, but I don't agree with it and that is MY Constitutional right to disagree and voice my own opinions.

Hopefully the next punch he gets will be a donkey punch. Fucker!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_punch

You're right, he did not catch him the act. He only knew that he was charged with molesting the child. He made the decision to inform him that it was wrong to touch a child in a sexual manner.

I think vigilante justice is ALWAYS acceptable when it comes to sexual abuse or physical abuse of children. The sentences these assholes get are a joke, and the child is scarred for the rest of their lives. Just my opinion.

WAY TO GO MOM!!!!!!

It's sad that we are so excited to see a mother do the right thing, but it is what it is. I'm going to take your whole “she loved her daughter” argument a little bit further, and say that she loved her daughter enough NOT to hurt that babyraping piece of shit. Her daughter's father may not be in the picture or she may not have anyone that she trusts enough to care for her daughter, should she be arrested. She loved her daughter enough to control her rage and think about her child first. I want to buy this broad a drink.

In a perfect world, Mr. Reed (or the mother) shouldn't be charged for giving that cocksucking bitch a SMALL bit of got-it-coming-to-him, but once again, it is what it is. I, for one, hope that someone, anyone, who knows him comes here so I can tell them to shake that man's hand and tell him that he did the right thing.

I have to disagree with you there….the mother CAUGHT him in the act, and then the child said it had happened on previous occasions as well. The guy did it. And if there were more people like Mr. Reed out there who love children enough to want to protect them, then I bet there would be less people doing these heinous things to children. Just my opinion, though. Most of the time I would agree with your opinion about vigilante justice (I believe in people having a fair trial), but this guy is clearly guilty. He was caught red-handed……and as I said, had I been the mother, the guy would have been dead before the cops got there.

Ya know… I had my dog de-nutted to prevent him from jumping on anything that walked by. I think Mr. MESSieri should have to say Ta Ta to his testes. Male black bears will rip the genitalia off of other male bears that they feel are threatening. Too bad this dude isn't a black bear. Hmmm, then again… considering where he's going he might have his balls bludgeoned or maybe his nads nipped. Of course, the good old standby of rapidly moving lead could stop him from ever touching another child.