Mother shoots and kills her 2 kids, self at the welfare office

After Fatal Standoff, Agency Rues Not Doing More
Rachelle Grimmer, Mother Who Killed Herself And Her Children In Texas Welfare Shooting, Had Long Struggled

RIP Timothy and Ramie

 

 

First let me say that this story is about 2 months old and sorry for the delay in posting about it, it made national headlines.

Rachelle Grimmer had it rough, that I will not disagree with. She was a struggling single mother of 2 kids, a 10-year old boy and a 12-year old girl.  In recent years, they were homeless at times or living in a rundown RV or even in a tent on the beach. She begged closing crews at restaurants for food they planned to throw away so she could feed her kids. Her kids bathed with a garden hose and her son was seen wearing the same camouflage shorts day after day after day. She also didn’t have a job, and the state denied her repeated requests for help and food stamps.

To say that Rachelle was desperate would be an understatement. Her repeated attempts to get food stamps were denied. She failed to provide proof of income and when she submitted her paperwork, the math worked out that her child support checks totaled more than her monthly living expenses. So she was denied time and time again.

I don’t know and can’t find out why Rachelle didn’t have a job, or if she worked as hard at finding one as she did at trying to get the state to give her food stamps. I do know that she had a very unstable existence with her kids and that her ex-husband (and father of the children) had tried to get the kids removed from her care for years.  They lived a nomadic life, living in Ohio and then Montana and then settling in Laredo, TX. The county they lived in is one of the poorest in the country with the median income at $13,600 annually. Rachelle never made anywhere near that each year.

There are conflicting reports about how much CPS was involved in their lives. The Montana CPS said they hadn’t had any reports about her. Ohio CPS declined to comment. Texas officials had interviewed Rachelle late summer in 2010 after getting reports of a woman living on the beach with her children in a tent. She was able to show that she had food and some cash and out-of-state food stamps. She then showed him a pistol that she said she kept for protection while they traveled. The deputy requested a welfare follow-up, but it never happened.

More than a year later on December 5, 2011, Rachelle took that pistol and her two kids to the state social services office in Laredo that had denied her food stamps and held a supervisor hostage. There was a 7-hour standoff with police that ended with her shooting her kids and then herself. She died at the scene. Her children, Ramie and Timothy, died days later at University Hospital in San Antonio.

I’m sure that Rachelle felt helpless. I can only imagine the pain of watching your children suffer and not having any food to feed them. But there’s always another alternative, I don’t have to spell that out for all of you. Killing your children because you’re poor is not ok. So many other ways to get around these issues, one of them would have been her getting a job. I know the job market is tough, I’m sympathetic to that. But there are shelters that can help and there are churches and food banks and soup kitchens and food pantries. I don’t live in Laredo, but a simple Google search shows me that they do. There was always the option of letting the children go back to live with their dad since he showed interest and getting your feet off the ground then bringing them back one day.

Rachelle’s 12-year old daughter Ramie posted on her Facebook wall that fateful day in December. She changed the “employer” section of her Facebook account to “may die 2day.” Nearly three hours later, at 10:34 p.m., Ramie posted “im bored,” and then 18 minutes later, ‘ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahhhhhhhh”.  Ramie’s final post, at 11:28 pm, read “tear gas seriasly” [sic], an apparent reference to the SWAT team that had surrounded the building. In response, a woman on Facebook who identifies herself as Ramie and Timothy’s grandmother wrote back, “I’m here for you guys. no reason to be afraid”. Shots were reported to be heard at 11:45pm.

RIP Ramie and Timothy. Sounds to me that you all had a harder life than most could imagine.  The world will certainly be a darker place without your smiling faces.

Thanks to everyone who sent in the tips.

  • diamond

    I understand her pain and her helplessness. And getting a job with no food to leave for your kids, no one to care for them, and no clean clothes or baths well that’s 500 times more difficult, but I would have taken these kids in. In fact a knock on the right door and most decent people would have made them sandwiches or something.
    Not all people have a heart, but most do. These kids had family too. This is a crying shame!

  • Ace

    Alternatives:
    - Get the father to take care of the kids
    - Any reliable friends, no?
    - Go to CPS and ask for help
    - Go to local churches and ask for help
    - Even make it a case in a local newspaper and ask for help thru an article
    And that she could not find a job.. well, even if she was a felon with no work record, there are still some hard and dirty labor jobs available… or she could have went to a local library and asked people online for donations, and get free stuff for her kids off of Craigslist… its not impossible…

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sarah-Silcox-Martin/1460419094 Sarah Silcox Martin

    Sorry, my computer went nuts and posted it several times!

    • Deb

      And here I was thinking you just wanted to make sure your point got across! ;-)
       I have not read anything from you but I like what you said. So…welcome to this corner of our world. The people here are really wonderful and supportive………. unless someone comes in defending (or trying to defend) the fuckwads (my new word for “parents”) that harm or kill children. Then the claws and venom come out and believe you me…it ain’t pretty…but at times it is damned funny to sit back and watch. Especially when the Shadow knows or Malevolent April or Cynical Me or Trench or…or….well just about any of the folks who care about kiddos tear into a troll. I have never met these folks but man, I love these guys!! 

  • Crasylilswthrt

    I’m likely gonna piss a few people off with this comment; but let me check my care meter…. nope nothing. 

    Im guessing that if she and her kids were a few shades darker, and only spoke Spanish….she would have gotten the help she needed a lot sooner.  I’m just sayin…. 

  • o0o_pinklemonade_o0o

    i am not a NOT a troll.. i never said she should kill her kids. i’m saying she was trying to get help and no one was giving it to her.. did you guys not read the same article? it’s sad she was desperate enough to kill her own kids to make a selfish point. i feel the worst for the innocent children! but i see this crap all the time where the WRONG people are getting aid and the people who need it aren’t getting it! no one knows why she couldn’t get a job. anyone who judges someone who can’t get a job is ignorant! i don’t know if you have noticed or not.. but we are kind of in a recession.. with the highest unemployment rate ever! she probably wasn’t educated either which narrows down her options even more! SHELTERS are filled to the BRIM! i volunteer at several shelters here in fort worth and we have to often turn away FAMILIES because we are at capacity and not only that.. shelters aren’t exactly safe!! who is to say she didn’t try shelters? i also don’t think she was all there in the head.. most of the people i see at these shelters are NOT fully there!.. so the system failed the kids the most! it’s obvious they were not in the right living conditions and should have been given to other family members the first time they checked on her but what did they do? NOTHING! if the dad was trying for years to get custody and the system KNEW the kids were living in cars and on the beach then why the hell didn’t they give the kids to the dad? was there a reason the system didn’t want the dad to have them in the first place? it doesn’t add up. i am NOT commending her for killing her kids. but at least i have some empathy for her.. maybe volunteer at some shelters and you will see what i’m talking about. desperate people go crazy!

    • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

      Your initial comment seemed trollish. You have to admit.

    • jj

      You have empathy for a woman who murdered her children, who was so fucking selfish that she’d rather her children were dead than not being with her.  The reasons for her desperation are just as worthless as she is, and just another excuse for her behavior.  No, you’re not commending her, but you’re sure as shit excusing her behavior, and that’s just as bad.  Why do you think she kept moving around, state to state, city to city?  Because of her dealings with social services.  She KNEW that her children were in danger of being removed from her “care” (homelessness alone is not a reason for removal, there has to be more, so they wouldn’t neccessarily have removed them for that alone), so jumping from city to city, county to county, state to state, kept her selfish ass one step ahead of them.  Pretty cunning for someone so desperate, huh?  Her application was denied, boo fucking hoo, and it is her own damn fault that she didn’t follow up with doing what she needed to do to get those benefits. Just because you’re poor and in need doesn’t mean you don’t have to follow procedure.  But it’s the system’s fault.  This wasn’t a woman who had it all and then her life imploded.  She was subjecting her children to this FOR YEARS.  But she was a desperate woman with no other options.  GTFOH

      You may not be a troll, but your first comment here was excusing the murderous behavior of a selfish cunt.  Troll was nice.

      • Danielle

        Goddammit JJ, I love you. 

        A-men. I have no empathy or sympathy for her. She killed her kids. Period. Times were tough, I get it. But figure something else out. 

      • Suzee

        Ah, you just saved me a lot of typing jj.

    • Ash

      First off, I find it hard to take anything seriously from someone who uses the moniker “pink Lemonade” or “mew mew” (what are you, 11?). Secondly, why didn’t she try looking for a job, or finding someone to watch her kids and take care of them, while she sorted shit out? My mother raised me and my three siblings herself, on a welfare cheque. We lived in public housing most of my life, and admittedly I moved a lot when I was younger. However, she always made sure we had some sort of structure and stability in our lives, and in this story the kids didn’t even have that. I remember being two or three (my siblings are 7, 11 and 12 years older than me), and my Mom had a melt down and kicked us all out of the house at like 9 o’clock at night. We barely got out the door before she gathered us up and hugged us for what seemed like hours on end. I know hardship. I also know how a mother should in essence behave (yes, I know family/cultural/parenting techniques will vary but the key word there is in essence). On the other hand now, my brother and his exgirlfriend had 4 children together (two turned out not to be his, but that’s another story). They frauded welfare, friends, family, and anyone they could for money that often went spent on rental cars and cigarettes than the children. Their “baby bonus” monthly cheque totaled well into the 1000$ range, and every month they’d still come around asking for money for “diapers/formula/food” for the kids. On top of that, they treated the children deplorably (thankfully, all 4 are now in foster care). Much like my mom, and brother, this woman had options, but refused to use them. If my brother can call his wireless provider and scam them out of 50$ every month for free cell phone plans, I refuse to believe that a MOTHER can not come up with the means to find a solution for a better life for her children.

      • Deb

        I have to agree with you and add this comment……… Parents- check your priorities!!!! I mean does a person really need a $300. weave? Or a $250. tattoo? Or even the latest cell phone and apps when their baby/babies are hungry, wet, cold and afraid? I repeat—- check your priorities!
        As others have stated there are places that will help struggling families (ie: churches, Salvation Army, homeless shelters) Sadly I will admit these places are overwhelmed by people who abuse the services avaliable which in turn makes it difficult for those who need them.
        I know there is a service in Texas (I hope it is still open) that helps homeless families and adults that is free. It is a one (1) time chance- meaning you mess up one time and that is it you are out and NO second chances. For those who qualify this shelter will give you a place to live, food, clothing and transportation (bus passes), for one (1) year. All the person (family) has to do is:
        1) find a full time job within 30 days- place a large portion of the check into an account each month to save up for a place of their own and other needs.
        2) follow the shelter rules (ie do chores, take care of self and family, obey curfew,  etc)
        3) NO drugs or alcohol….period. If you (or anyone in your family) comes in messed up or is in possession of drugs/alcohol, you will asked to leave and not return.
        Sorry about the rant- but when I hear about “adults” putting their wants before their childrens needs, well it ticks me off.

        • Gabby

          There is one huge pet peeve I have. Its seeing these welfare abusers getting $600 plus a month to feed a family of four on nothing but junk food, getting obese… While I can feed a family of 8 (his two, my two and 5 yr old twins) on about $300 a month. They don’t need it. Foodstamps was meant to suppliment and take a dent out of the food you need to buy, not pay for it all.

          Lets assume that there are a million families who recive these food stamps. Lets cut that in half. There is well over $300 million dollars of money right there that can be used elsewhere. Those people need to learn how to shop for food, NOT given more.

          Now I’ll admit the $300 I spend is just store stuff. I probably do spend a little more if you take into account the food that we grow in a garden and the fact that 5 of us eat a vegitarian/vegan diets. I’m just saying that it can be done. We eat healthy and well spending only $300 a month.

          • Ash

            Can I ask you a question Gabby?How old were the vegitarian/vegan kids when they started eating that way?Did you find it harder to feed them strictly when they were younger, and has it gotten easier the older they’ve gotten? Is it easier keeping up your own Garden, than relying only on the Organic section in the grocery store?

            Sorry, question ended up being “tell me your life story” lol.

          • Justpeekinaroundhere

            As a single mom to 1 child (because it’s irresponsible to have more children than you can care for), I get $16.00 a month in food stamps.  I just lost my state medical insurance because I didn’t meet a $68 “medical spend down” (which isn’t possible on state insurance as your prescription co-pays are $1-3 dollars).  Now on my employer’s insurance, I spend $75.00 a month on premimums and nearly $300.00 a month on co-pays.  Not everyone that “qualifies” for assistance gets hundreds of dollars a month in food stamps or assistance.  The agencey admitted to their mistake–obviously the system is quite flawed. 

        • Ash

          I’m 23, and just moved out on my own in June last year. No roomates, just myself. My biggest responsibility after rent, is my animals (3 cats and a dog). I have no children. I was working 2 jobs, at around 65 hours a week, to have spending money for after I paid my bills. I got fired from one of them in November, and only just now finalised my greivance for wrongful dismissal. It ammounted to one month’s pay, whichgranted isn’t much but still. And I’m digressing. After I was fired, I knew I’d be ok for that month, but was terrified of December. Half my christmas presents I gave people, weren’t even bought from me (my mother is a lovely, supportive lady). My mother paid my cable bill. I went to the food bank for food. I dropped from 65 hours a week, to 27 with the one job. Low and behold, by the end of the month, I had after paying my rent, 300$ still left in the bank. I know there are people who have it far worse, and where children are involved, but I don’t understand why they don’t think of other options. I’m canceling my cable next week , and paying my mother back for paying it last month for me, when I get my greivance settlement. I have no issues going to a food bank, or asking for help.  I don’t understand why some people don’t think of their options before getting into situations like that.

          • Deb

            ” I have no issues going to a food bank, or asking for help.  I don’t understand why some people don’t think of their options before getting into situations like that. ”
            Sadly there are some people in this world who do have issues about going to a food bank or asking for help. Many years ago (okay MANY years ago) we were struggling to feed our small family….. (we had a couple cans of beans and a can of tomato soup in our cabinets) the church we were attending gave us a lot of food. When a family member was told about this generosity, the comment was made..”Why did you take that stuff. Don’t you have any pride?” My answer?
             “I can’t feed my children pride.”
            Ash you have a good head on your shoulders and at 23 you have a lot to look forward too. Though in my humble opinion I believe you will have a positive affect on those around you.  :-)

  • KathyK

    Those facebook posts are so sad.  The poor children knew they might die.  RIP Ramie and Timothy.

  • Gabby

    I can understand what the woman was going through. At the moment I’m sitting here wondering when will my electrcity be shut off. (My fault. I thought I could get by a couple more weeks and I was wrong. I take the blame for that.) I’ve applied for some sort of help several times in the past year and a half. But we are constantly told we make $150 to $200 too much. They don’t take into account the medical bills for a devlopmentally disable son. They don’t take into account medical bills for a child with Cystic Fibrosis. (Totals to about $700 extra a month.) I’ve applied to nearly 3 dozen jobs, since November.We’ve sold our games cut down every bill we have had until we can’t cut down anymore… We have basic cable and internet. I’ve even moved back in with my ex so we can combind incomes and everything to make life for both of us a little easier. We just barely skate by with no help other then some medical insurance. Trust me… I can relate. I know the anger, hopelessness, fear, worrying and disappointment. But there is one thing I’ve never done and it’s thought about hurting my children or myself because of it. I honestly don’t think this has anything to do with the lack of funds. This woman did it because she flat out felt sorry for herself and refused to accept the fact that she and her children’s suffering was her fault. She is not a mytar or victim of the system. She had an easy way out. Her husband wanted those children. A good mother would have done what ever it took, even live with out her kids to make sure they were fed and cared for.

    My bets are, if we could get into this woman’s head and understand her, the reasoning for her actions was self-pity and pride. Nothing more. While I’m sorry the children were hurt so badly, good riddance to one less selfish idiot on this planet. I have no pity for this woman. I just wish that she had looked past her selfishness long enough to get the children to their father before she took her life.

    • Artistjams

      I had problems many years ago with a 2 year old daughter, being a single mom with little means….

      I learned through a friend who worked for the electric company that if you pay even $20 bucks on the bill, it “resets” the bill system and they have to send you out another cut off notice…so this could buy you some time….

      Just FYI

      • Gabby

        Thanks. It got paid, JUST in the nick of time. I didn’t know my aunt had left money in her will for me when she passed away and my cousin came over later the next day and gave it too me. Talk about pure flat out luck. It wasn’t much and not even close to how much my aunt was worth too me. (There’s no dollar amount on that.) But it paid every bill we had behind up to date, bought food and fixed my car so it doesn’t use as much gas. And bought my 2nd son some new pants to replace that he had out grown. Talk about a gardian angel, yes? For the next few months we can relax.

  • http://sonowinx.wordpress.com/ Kae Lily

    My heart goes out to anyone who is struggling so hard, but all my sympathy burns away when that person harms their child. There’s never an excuse for that!

    I agree she should’ve temporarily left the children with their father until she got herself together. If I had to guess why she didn’t, other than that’s she’s a selfish tramp, I’d say the kids may have wanted to stay with her. Sounds crazy, I know, but this was the case with a friend of mine whose mother (and younger sister) was homeless. Even when her mother told her she should go to her grandparents (her mom didn’t want her to because she and the grandparents don’t get along, but she knew it would be better), my friend refused to leave and preferred staying with her mom and sis (I should mention she and her sis were half-siblings, so her grandparents would only take her and not her sister). Her grandparents ended up getting custody of her, but she went back to her mom the minute her mom found an apartment. As far as I know, she hasn’t seen her relatives since.

    Back to this selfish SOB, I doubt she was trying as hard as she could. She kept on asking and asking for food stamps, but was she trying that hard to get a job? Was she even willing to work? I doubt it. What was she doing with the child support money?

  • Anonymous

    Just another selfish, family annihilator, murdering whore like Mary Ann Holder.

    To all useless and worthless adults: if you’ve fucked up your lives beyond repair, by all means remove yourselves from this planet.  But don’t take any children with you.  THEY still have a chance to make something of themselves.  YOU have no right to take that away from them.

  • karan

    in 1996, my son was four years old, I was homeless and trying to kick a meth habit( which I did).  the hardest decision I made was letting my sister who I did NOT have a good relationship with take my son for two months. I still saw him, and even tho she and I were fighting, I knew it was the safest place for him to be. There is ALWAYS an alternative to hurting your kids.

  • Tonyaohlund

    I just dont get it. seriously.

  • o0o_pinklemonade_o0o

    you said there were alternatives.. like what? i’m not saying it was RIGHT for her to kill her kids but it doesn’t sound like they were getting the help they needed!

    • jj

      Like what?  Like anything but torturing and murdering her children, how’s that as an alternative?  They had a father who was trying to get those children, why didn’t she do what was best for her children and give them to him until she got her shit together?  How about allowing her children to go into foster care? The system is problematic, yes, but they’d be in a bed, being fed, have regular contact with her (where she’d be able to make sure they were OK), and allow the mother the time and services she needed to make a proper life for her and her children.  She had options, but like most selfish bitches that grace the pages of BB, what she wanted was more important than her children’s safety and welfare.  It may not have been a penis that she put before her children, but a mother making her children live like they did for no other reason than she wanted her kids with her, regardless of her situation, is just as fucking disgusting. 
       
      I have no sympathy for this whore.  Any bit that I might have had, considering her predicament, vanished the instant she harmed one of her children.  She’s roasting in hell, where she belongs.

    • Suzee

      You obviously didn’t read this article too well. As was stated in the write up “I’m sure that Rachelle felt helpless. I can only imagine the pain of
      watching your children suffer and not having any food to feed them. But
      there’s always another alternative, I don’t have to spell that out for
      all of you. Killing your children because you’re poor is not ok. So many
      other ways to get around these issues, one of them would have been her
      getting a job. I know the job market is tough, I’m sympathetic to that.
      But there are shelters that can help and there are churches and food
      banks and soup kitchens and food pantries. I don’t live in Laredo, but a
      simple Google search shows me that they do.” She wasn’t getting help from state food stamp program.

      • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

        She could have cleaned houses for people. Mowed lawns. Dug through the trash for cans and bottles. Anything!

        • Suzee

          Completely agree.

      • Sella

        I SOOO AGREE!! My brother-in-law once lived in a tent and they ate mustard and kethcup sandwiches….his mom would send him into McDonalds to get condiment packets then they would pour them on their hands or on bread (when they had bread)… he did go the path of drugs for many years, but then his brother was busted in OKC for torturing his drug-dealer to death, and his dad was busted for raping and trying to kill a woman…..it woke him to life, he found my sister and I can say he is one of the BEST PEOPLE I KNOW…TRULY a great man after all the bad he had to live with, all the poor, all the hunger…set them straight Suzee, I read the article and read it right!!

    • Danielle

      Ah yes, times are tough so I kill my kids. That makes sense. I’m not going to repeat myself or the other commenters. Fucking idiot.

      • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

        Pink lemonade and mew mew are the same person. Just…FYI.

        • Danielle

          So one agrees with me and the other doesn’t? Interesting technique for someone with MPD.

          • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

            I was misinformed. Sorry. They are NOT the same person.

            Sorry Mew Mew.

    • http://twitter.com/MewMew34 Mew Mew

       Alternatives were mentioned, including allowing the father to take them as he had been trying to get them for some time.

      Is anybody else wondering how the girl was able to post to Facebook from the welfare office if they were this poor?  If they couldn’t afford a home and food they sure as hell shouldn’t have been able to afford cellphones.  Food and shelter come before cellphones.

      • Danielle

        Good point! Hadn’t thought of that.

      • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

        Changing your screen name only makes you a troll. I can see your email address and IP address.

        • Suzee

          You have got to be kidding me right? What is it with the crazies here lately?

          • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

            I spoke too soon. Not the same person at all. I’m a dork.

          • Suzee

            I saw that after I responded via e-mail to the comment. No big deal. We all make mistakes like that. Sorry, Mew Mew!

          • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

            I feel like a tool. I hope Mew Mew will forgive me.

      • Marsha

        My guess would be that the grandmother paid for the cell phone so she could keep in touch with her grandchildren.  That’s what I would do if I were her and my son couldn’t get custody. 

      • Justpeekinaroundhere

        My thoughts were the exact same…she was 12 (so shouldn’t have even been allowed a Fb account) and how did she post?  And if the grandmother replied to it, don’t you think you’d take a little more action if a 12 year old posts “maybe die today”????? wtf is wrong with people.

      • Justpeekinaroundhere

        My thoughts were the exact same…she was 12 (so shouldn’t have even been allowed a Fb account) and how did she post?  And if the grandmother replied to it, don’t you think you’d take a little more action if a 12 year old posts “maybe die today”????? wtf is wrong with people.

    • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

      Are you a fucking moron? Killing her children was not an option. There are churches that will help. She could have begged on the streets. The bottom line is that she was a selfish cunt.

      • Bad Kitty

        I sooo fucking agree with you!!! There is so much help out there for people in her position.  I see this woman as nothing as a selfish, stupid ass cunt.  It sounds like those poor kids were fucked from the start.

        • http://badbreeders.net/ Malevolent April

          Any child born to a selfish, cold-hearted cunt is fucked from the strart. Too bad being evil doesn’t make them sterile. sigh.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sarah-Silcox-Martin/1460419094 Sarah Silcox Martin

      She couldn’t follow instructions and fill out the paperwork. If she needed help so badly, why couldn’t she fill out simple paperwork? I used to be a hiring manager and deal with ignoramuses like that. People that can’t follow simple instructions. 

      My husband and I are struggling on one income. I know what its like to be poor. But we make sacrifices to make ends meet. Our two children are still alive and fed. 

      I used to get so ticked off working my butt off to provide for my family with my ragged nails and driving my old car and watch the women pull out their food stamps with their brand new manicures, new i-phones and then loading their steaks into their brand new gleaming SUV’s. Why should I pay taxes and struggle so that people like that can live in excess? You need to feed YOUR children that YOU laid down and made? Then you’ll have to give up the extras in life. Hey, thats what parenting is about. Kids first, your wants second. If someone cuts out the excess and is still struggling THEN I have no problem helping them out with my tax dollars. But you need to try to make things work first. It irritates me! I do without. I don’t live a fancy life and I don’t expect others to take care of my kids. Why can’t other people do the same? Everyone is so ready to be a victim and have their hand out in our society these days. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sarah-Silcox-Martin/1460419094 Sarah Silcox Martin

      She couldn’t follow instructions and fill out the paperwork. If she needed help so badly, why couldn’t she fill out simple paperwork? I used to be a hiring manager and deal with ignoramuses like that. People that can’t follow simple instructions. 

      My husband and I are struggling on one income. I know what its like to be poor. But we make sacrifices to make ends meet. Our two children are still alive and fed. 

      I used to get so ticked off working my butt off to provide for my family with my ragged nails and driving my old car and watch the women pull out their food stamps with their brand new manicures, new i-phones and then loading their steaks into their brand new gleaming SUV’s. Why should I pay taxes and struggle so that people like that can live in excess? You need to feed YOUR children that YOU laid down and made? Then you’ll have to give up the extras in life. Hey, thats what parenting is about. Kids first, your wants second. If someone cuts out the excess and is still struggling THEN I have no problem helping them out with my tax dollars. But you need to try to make things work first. It irritates me! I do without. I don’t live a fancy life and I don’t expect others to take care of my kids. Why can’t other people do the same? Everyone is so ready to be a victim and have their hand out in our society these days. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sarah-Silcox-Martin/1460419094 Sarah Silcox Martin

      She couldn’t follow instructions and fill out the paperwork. If she needed help so badly, why couldn’t she fill out simple paperwork? I used to be a hiring manager and deal with ignoramuses like that. People that can’t follow simple instructions. 

      My husband and I are struggling on one income. I know what its like to be poor. But we make sacrifices to make ends meet. Our two children are still alive and fed. 

      I used to get so ticked off working my butt off to provide for my family with my ragged nails and driving my old car and watch the women pull out their food stamps with their brand new manicures, new i-phones and then loading their steaks into their brand new gleaming SUV’s. Why should I pay taxes and struggle so that people like that can live in excess? You need to feed YOUR children that YOU laid down and made? Then you’ll have to give up the extras in life. Hey, thats what parenting is about. Kids first, your wants second. If someone cuts out the excess and is still struggling THEN I have no problem helping them out with my tax dollars. But you need to try to make things work first. It irritates me! I do without. I don’t live a fancy life and I don’t expect others to take care of my kids. Why can’t other people do the same? Everyone is so ready to be a victim and have their hand out in our society these days.