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5 year old boy shoots and kills his sister…after his parents give him his “first rifle”

Coroner: Boy, 5, Shoots 2-Year-Old Sister in Ky.

Kentucky girl, 2, shot dead by brother, 5, who was playing with gun he’d been given as a gift

US boy shoots two-year-old sister dead

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They look like fucking toys!!

A 5 year old boy has shot his baby sister dead, after his hick parents not only bought him a rifle, but also failed to unload it and secure it. This happened in Kentucky, by the way.

The little boy, named Kristian, was playing with the rifle while his redneck breeder Stephanie Sparks was cleaning the kitchen. While she was out on the porch, she heard the gun go off. She went inside and found her 2 year old daughter Caroline had been shot in the chest. The little girl was rushed to Cumberland hospital, but died from the wound.

The gun in question was a 0.22 calibre Crickett rifle, marketed by Keystone Sporting Arms as “My First Rifle”. KSA is all about safety and enjoyment of hunting and shooting. They also market little hi-vis vests, helmets and safety goggles. The rifle was being “stored” in the corner of the mobile home that the family lived in. The hick breeders hadn’t realised that there was a shell remaining inside the weapon.

Now I don’t know much about guns. Australia has severe gun laws and the whole American gun culture is just so alien to me. But I do know the basics. That gun was not secured properly, it was left in the fucking corner of their trailer! And the little boy was not properly taught about guns i.e. always assume any weapon is loaded, never point a gun at someone, and that dead is dead. But all of that inbreeding must have bred out commonsense. I don’t know why these hicks haven’t been selected against. One day, she’ll catch up with these sins against nature.

Not only are the breeders stupid rednecks, but the KY coroner must be the king of the hicks! He’s ruled the shooting as an accident and shrugged off the shooting as “just one of those crazy accidents”. Now you see here, you inbred banjo-twanging bumpkin. There are no “accidents” when it comes to guns. Someone has to pull the trigger or in this case, they left the gun accessible to the uneducated child. You’re just as bad as the hick breeders. A police trooper has said that it’s too early to say whether charges will be laid against the parents. Here, let me help you out. Failure to secure a firearm. Negligence resulting in death. Possibly possessing an unregistered firearm.

Rest in peace, little Caroline. Somehow, let your big bro know that your death wasn’t his fault. It was the fault of your inbred hick breeders who don’t know how to act around guns.

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  1. It wouldn’t be fair to charge the 5 year old with anything. He is as much of a victim as his poor dead sister. Those inbred fucktarded douche bag parents on the other hand! Fucking lock those c*ck heads up before they can breed again!

  2. So, let me get this straight. When I was 16, I was prescribed Accutane for severe acne. I had to take a test every single month online, answering questions about birth control and possible birth defects that could occur… despite the fact I had repeatedly stated that I was a virgin, and my primary form of birth control was “abstinence”. I also had to go to the doctor each month and take a pregnancy test. FOR A FUCKING ACNE MEDICATION.

    But I can go ahead and buy a gun at a show or online with no background check, give the DEADLY WEAPON to a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD who’s still barely more than a baby, keep it loaded and within reach of said five-year-old at any time, and not face any charges when the five-year-old takes his gun and accidentally kills his own sister with it. There’s no monthly tests on gun safety, no questionnaires about the measures I take to store a DEADLY WEAPON IN MY HOME, no visits whatsoever.

    I really hate this country sometimes.

    1. I love your comment!

    2. I’m by no means sticking up for the parents but have to point out that you’re wrong on the background check. Any gun rifle or handgun bought legally has a background check. You can’t just go online and order a gun. It has to be delivered to a Federal firearms licensed dealer and a check will be ran at the time of pick up. And I keep hearing about this gun show loop hole but have yet to ever see it myself nor has anyone I know. The only time a gun can be purchased without a check is through private sale.

  3. Why does a kid as young as five need a gun? And even if you decide to get one for whatever reason, LOCK IT UP. This poor kid is only five, I obviously don’t think he deserves to be charged, but ffs, why aren’t these parents getting charged for leaving a firearm out in the open, unlocked/unsecured? “We didn’t know it was loaded,” is a piss poor excuse-and now a poor sweet toddler is dead and a little boy still probably doesn’t understand the magnitude of what he did.

    1. I did read on DD about someone who bought their kid a Crickett rifle so that they could go hunting with their parents. The poster said that the rifles are smaller so that it’s safer for a kid to handle rather than trying to wield an adult sized one. The poster added that they regularly drill gun safety into their kid.

  4. Not all of us in Kentucky are hicks. But we definitely have them. I have guns in my home but they are locked in a safe. The ammunition is not stored even in our home. We use them for skeet shooting – not hunting. Our 4 children range from 8 to 16 AND none of them have been allowed to hold the guns or even see them. My husband competed at the amuture level for years in skeet but once we had children we locked them up. Its people that cause the “gun” problems. I don’t let my 12 year old ride a bike without a helmet so why would I give him a gun at 5! At 5 he could still barely dress himself correctly or wipe his own butt half the time!!!
    I don’t believe the child should be charged. He is 5 and still 100% dependent on his parents guidance. On the other hand, I do believe there should be charges for the parents. Unfortunately here in Kentucky that isn’t going to happen.
    My prayers are with him because he will be haunted by this pain his whole life.

    1. Lynnetta JOHNSON

      I didn’t read your comment completly until after I posted mine. I see that great minds think alike. I second the butt wiping sentiment!!!

  5. Just because they lived in the South doesn’t mean they are “stupid rednecks”. I have 4 guns, my kids do not know about, my 10 year old does not have enough maturity to handle a weapon being autistic, my middle and younger children are not old enough. While what these people did was completely stupid, I do not think that they should be persecuted as much as someone who willfully beats their kid to death. Granted, I am not defending them for their dumbass actions however, I do not agree with some of the stuff written here.

    1. No, what they did was criminally stupid and they should be charged with negligent homicide. These people should never have been allowed to buy guns if they didn’t know how to properly store them and had no means to. They had to do less to get a deadly weapon than I had to do to get a goddamn acne medication. Hell, they had to do way less to have children they couldn’t fucking properly supervise than I had to to treat the most common skin condition ever.

      As far as I’m concerned, they are stupid rednecks because they fulfill every negative stereotype about them and then some. I’m from the South as well, I know lots of rednecks, and the vast majority know how to keep guns away from children.

      1. You are correct most do have the common sense to keep the shit away from their kids. Yes they should be punished, however I think with laws being as they are persecuting these idiots under the same manner one would punish say, the guy who anally raped a 5 month old to death, muddles the true intent. Just my opinion. I will reiterate…what they did was fucking stupid and yes, I’d love to take them and beat their ass for being dumb.

        1. There is an involuntary manslaughter charge available for cases where gross negligence and stupidity caused the death, isn’t there? I am not entirely sure, but it seems like I’ve heard that term before.

          1. It is called criminal negligence. This is a catch all for people who have failed to do something resulting in a crime. While this case is somewhat in the gray area and could be considered accidental, they could still be charged with criminal negligence as their lack of action (i.e. putting the weapon in a SAFE place) resulted in their child’s death.

    2. The idea that kids do not know about guns in the house and will never find them is not a very safe one. If you have guns in the house, they need to be drilled on gun safety in addition to keeping the guns put up. I can’t think of specific instances right now, but I know I have heard stories of people whose children accidentally shot someone with the parent’s gun where the child “didn’t even know we had a gun. We kept it hidden!” The only one that doesn’t yet know where the guns are kept in our house is the almost five year old, and they are kept either in a locked box if they are loaded and not on dad’s hip, or unloaded and separate from the ammo. Even the little one knows we have them and that they are not toys and they are absolutely off-limits.

      1. My weapons are hidden in a gun cabinet with the key on the same keyring as my car keys so it is HIGHLY unlikely that they will get a hold of a weapon. Secondly, my children are younger and when I feel that it is appropriate to take them to the hunter’s education course I fully intend to. Third, teaching a child how to handle a weapon while they lack the mental maturity to do so is just as dangerous as not locking them up.

  6. Lynnetta JOHNSON

    I agree that not all southern people are “stupid rednecks”,but these people sure are! Really, a 5 year old with his own gun? 5 yr olds can’t wipe their butts good, tie their shoes worth a damn, but old enough for a gun! Would you let a 5 yr old cook or carve the Thanksgiving Turkey. Perhaps clean the house with deadly, toxic chemicals? Then to not have the gun secured!!!! Really? An “accident”? I understand that it was no intent to harm anyone, I really do. However, as parents we have to do more than the basics. We have to protect our kids from all sorts of things, even themselves. I’m sure that it is a lot of people that grew up with guns. Lots were taught from an early age how to hunt. To that I say, there was also a time when it was acceptable for young girls to have a husband and family with no education pass middle school. We would not dare go for that now!
    We now better, now we have to do better!

    1. Missing the Old Days

      Just because you feel that all of those things are wrong and outdated doesn’t mean it is right. Why shouldn’t a child help carve the Thanksgiving Turkey? And if more parents thought their kids to clean the house with those “chemicals” and made them do chores rather than play video games and whatever they want all the time, kids would be a lot better off. They would learn what it means to have responsibly. A lot like spanking kids. Worked for several thousand years before our “enlightened” society decided that it was so mean and did so much harm. Now kids don’t respect or mind their parents, always feel entitled to everything because they have never worked a day in their life, and this brilliant society is wondering why the world is going to shit.

      1. Lynnetta JOHNSON

        You are correct, it doesn’t mean I’m correct. That’s why it’s my opinion. Which means you may not be correct either.

        I didn’t say “help carve the turkey, I said carve the turkey”. Help would imply that there was some sort of supervision. And in this case there didn’t seem to be any. The gun was propped in the corner and loaded, within reach of small children. I thought that proper gun etiquette is to have guns locked up when not in use. Have someone who is not 5 yrs old check to make sure the gun isn’t loaded. I don’t have a problem with guns. I have a problem with careless people with guns. That little girl is dead and her brother has to deal with the fact that he killed her for the rest of his life. No 5 yr old should ever have to carry that burden.

        I also believe children should have chores, but they need to coincide with the age, mindset and maturity of that child. My 3yr old puts away his toys. Puts his own dishes in the sink. You know, something a 3 yr old kind can handle. Not something that could potentially harm/kill him if his 3 yr old mind starts to wander…you know like 3/5/7 yr olds tend to do.

        I’m not going to address in detail my views about spanking with you on a forum addressing abuse of children. I know there is s difference as I’m sure you do. But some people don’t as we see here day in day out.

        IMHO, I think the world is off track for a multitude of reasons, I agree some of it is because of the way our childen our being raised. But lets be honest. This stuff that we see now is not “brand new”, we just have more access to these stories.

        1. Thank you for responding in the manor that you did. I truly appreciate civil intelligent discussion on these topics.

          I agree with the majority of your response, or at least the general thought process that I think you were basing it on. The main thing I would add to it would be that the amount of responsibility for a child be governed more by the individual maturity level of the child, rather than simply a blanket based upon age. Would you not?

          I see children on a daily basis that area completely different. For example, I know 5-7yr olds that I would trust as much or more than some 16yr olds.

          1. With respect to gun etiquette, while yes with small children around I agree that more security would be better, it is still a personal choice. The weapon in this case was loaded, but that was also not the norm. It was not intentionally let that way so as to set the child up for failure. In my opinion the dictation of every little portion of a persons daily life by a government entity is completely wrong and should never be the answer. It is an individuals responsibility to conduct their lives as they see fit, not the government state/federal/or local to dictate those decisions.

  7. Lynnetta JOHNSON

    Edit-We know better, now we need to fo better.

  8. Lynnetta JOHNSON

    *do* better……sorry guys, stupid autocorrect!

  9. I’m Canadian and was raised around guns, and by the age of two (at least that I remember) my father was already teaching me gun manners. Always check to make sure no shells are in it, never point it anywhere but the ground, always assume a gun is loaded. Always secure guns so that others cant get at them without your knowledge. I had my own gun…when I was 7! At one point I visited my husbands family in TN, and I was horrified. They had a walking 20 month old boy in the house, with loaded guns leaning in every corner. I was there for 30 minutes and was…lets say, uninvited because I unloaded every gun and piled them up in a back bed room and raised holy fucking hell. Yet they think I was the dumb one. A child is fully capable of pulling a trigger. How can people be that careless? A gun by itself isn’t dangerous but add in a playing, running, active wobbly child and how they didn’t die and clean the gene pool I don’t know. My fathers theory with guns is you don’t give one as a toy, and don’t give one until you can hunt. The first time you kill even a rabbit with one, you know what they can do. How can people expect a 5 year old to understand that?

    1. Not to mention that some of them have hair triggers and all it could have taken was the little boy falling against one to fire it.

      1. Yeah, that was the image in my brain because this lil boy was just learning to walk. I just don’t understand how people like this can be so careless. Children are unreplaceable, the money to buy a safe is. Why not go the extra mile? Finally made Facebook login work 😀

    2. I’ve already stated a impact resistant long-arm case
      with padlock holes would have worked in this instance to prevent a tragedy. Personally I
      cannot understand how you can say you can afford $800-1000+ for a
      firearm and not afford $400-700 for a safe to store it in, or in this case $200 for a .22, and not $60 for gear to store it safely.

  10. I don’t remember the state (possibly Misouri but I’m guessing) but there was a child on child shooting death, and the father was charged with manslaughter for the unsecured weapon. I’d like to see this the rule, rather than the exception. I also live in an area where it is much more common for a child to be raised around guns than not. HOWEVER, there is NO EXCUSE for an unsecured weapon in the home, or for a five year old to be touching a firearm without an adult directly supervising, in an appropriate, controlled environment. No, the living room of your house doesn’t count. And five is plenty old enough to have been taught basic gun safety. Lesson one is if you find a gun, NEVER TOUCH AND TELL AN ADULT.

    1. http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/198996671.html?refer=y

      Minnesota. I had the M right at least. But I’m not sure this is the one I was thinking of or a different one.

      http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/28/3751079/father-talks-about-accidental.html

      Here’s one from South Carolina. I also found cases in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Apparently it is becomming more common to charge the parent with manslaughter for the unsecured weapon. Good.

  11. UPDATE: The Crickett website has been taken down for the time being. Police don’t plan to lay charges (wtf?). News footage showed little kids shooting at bottles and one kid saying that her favourite thing about the gun was that she got to shoot it. My jaw was just dropped all the way through the news report.

  12. Not all Ky are that uneducated or stupid. I am from ky I raise my kids around guns but when they are not being used (for hunting or shooting practice ) they are locked away in a solid gun cabnet with the key put were they cant find it nor know were it is. my kids have always had a gun but at 5 it was a daisy bb gun now they have their own lil rifles but I dont think its fair to lump all ky together cause of a few bad seeds…

    1. Unfortunately, I’ve heard this excuse too many times. ” the guns were locked up and we hid the key” Sorry, I raised three boys they had their own weapons when they were in the police academy and the service. Just a bad idea as far as I’m concerned.

      1. Unfortunately we live in a society where these kinds of stories are sensationalized. The majority of gun/rifle owners are sensible. A parent cannot get away with leaving their child in a car unsupervised, they shouldn’t be able to get away with this. I understand it is easy to point the finger at the gun manufacturer as it is not “pc” to villainize a grieving parent. It does not negate a parent(s) direct responsibility in the death of their child no matter how unfortunate the situation may be. I feel for these parents as a mother, but it becomes glaringly obvious as each story fills the News section that parent(s) involved in these unfortunate accidents should be sterilized.

        1. You pretty much have said everything I’ve been attempting to articulate.

  13. Aussie Sabbath- In paragraph 4, sentence 1, you stated “Now I don’t know much about guns.” Which tells me that A) You don’t know much about guns. B) You know nothing about a culture in which guns are an integral part of daily life. And C) You are DEFINATELY not part of the community in which this happened.

    For those reasons I ask you this, “What gives you, or any person not from the area in question, the right to make any judgement on those involved in this tragedy?” As far as the legal ramifications of what has happened with respect to the parents, I am not a lawyer nor are you so that issue will be handle in an appropriate manner by those charged with that duty. The beauty of our judicial system in the US is that people are judged by a jury of their “peers.” Not the international community at large which passes judgement with only assumptions and media fed/edited information

    Contrary to popular belief, it is IMPOSSIBLE to regulate the dangers from life. This was a tragic accident that will be carried by all involved, from the family to the community, for years to come.

    1. Oh I dunno, because the gun was “stored” in the corner of their trailer instead of a gun safe? Because it was loaded and the little boy was allowed to play with it? I can pass judgement because even though I don’t know much about guns, I know that they must be stored in a safe, unloaded, ammo separate. This was 100% preventable. The gun should not have been left out. End of story.

      1. First off the gun was not typically stored there. It had been placed there. The child was not allowed to play with a loaded weapon, it had ACCIDENTALLY been left with a round in the chamber, unbeknownst to the parents. It could have happened to anyone. (See last comment for an example of how a similar situation could happen to anyone. The ONLY difference is that it is a vehicle rather than a firearm).

        As far as storage, I don’t know about you, but the majority of people I know can’t afford a big fancy gun safe to store their weapons in. As far as ammo storage, that is a personal preference situation and frankly ammo storage had nothing to do with what happened here.

        The majority of accidents are preventable. That is not a point of debate

        1. Another example of a 100% avoidable accident is that I was typing this response, the site locked up and would not let me edit or continue typing. This too was 100% avoidable had the person who coded this page changed something previously, but they didn’t.

          1. Okay here’s another one. My sister’s pet rat escaped and got eaten by my cat this morning. Just buried her remains. Whose fault?
            a) was it the cat’s fault? She’s an animal who saw a prey animal and went for her.
            b)was it the rat’s fault for leaving her cage? Mind you, she had to chew through a plastic barrier to get through the door on her cage.
            c) was it the fault of whoever left the cage door open?
            d) was it the fault of my sister when she put the cage out in the loungeroom?

          2. So did someone leave the door open or did the rat chew through the door? Because both of those scenarios seem to be presented in your argument and one would negate the other.

          3. Someone did leave the door unhooked. But she also had a plastic barrier around her cage to stop paper being kicked everywhere. She chewed through that to get out.

          4. The door was left unlocked, rat got out (as rats do), cat killed her and ate her (as cats do). Not the rat’s fault, not the cat’s fault. They’re animals and don’t know any better.
            See how this applies to this story? Parents leave gun out, kid picks up gun (being a kid and not knowing any better), kid shoots his sister. If the gun wasn’t left out, the kid couldn’t have gotten to it, and not shot his sister.

          5. I’m impressed. You actually formed an intelligent thought without spewing derogatory slurs toward the persons involved. And for that I will give you this, my point is not, nor has it ever been, that there is no fault in this case. The point is that it was an accident and not an intentional act. Will their be charges, maybe, maybe not, that is not my nor your place to lay charges. The reason is that, as made very evident in this thread, many people such as yourself pass judgement based solely on personal opinion and emotional reaction rather than examining the totality of a situation.
            Do you really thing that these people, specifically the parents, are not completely devastated by what has happened and

          6. … (Locked up again) that they would not do absolutely anything to be able to go back and check that weapon one more time? They would. The issue is that you immediately jump at the chance to condemn a family during a time when they are devastated and immediately pass ultimate judgement on them without knowing anything other than what has been written in in the media. I pray that if anything tragic ever happens to you that you are treated with more respect than these people have.

          7. Leaving a gun anywhere within the reach of a kid is asking for trouble. Doesn’t matter whether they thought the gun was unloaded – you always treat a gun as if it were loaded. The gun was not properly stored and kid was not taught proper gun safety. This falls on the parents 100%.

        2. Oh HELL no! This “accident” could NOT “happen to anyone”! When you have guns and small children, you never ever EVER set down a weapon where a child may access it without CHECKING to make sure it has been made safe. Even if you are sure you unloaded it. Before it leaves your hand, you check it. Every. Fucking. Time. This is fucking BASIC gun safety, and anyone who is too stupid to follow this BASIC rule is too fucking stupid to own a firearm. Or reproduce. And if you have young kids and your ass is so broke that you can’t afford to store your weapons safely (You can get a basic sturdy locking gun cabinet for under a hundred bucks) you need to not have weapons in your home. The kind of “it could happen to anyone” bullshit you just spewed does a great disservice to all the responsible gun owners nationwide.

          1. So he couldn’t have thought that he had checked it when he got it out of his vehicle since that is the norm and been mistaken since it is such a routine movement?

          2. And that right there is why you check before it leaves your hand, every time. Even if you’re sure you unloaded it in the car. You check it before you set it down. Every time. If you fail to do that, it is your fault. If a child dies because you failed to do that, it is your fault. If you are too damn lazy to double check a gun before setting it down where your babies are, then you have no business around either guns or children.

        3. If you can afford a gun, you can afford a safe (which, by law, you need one). It’s like buying a car but not having CTP insurance for it. Can’t afford a safe? Don’t get a gun!

          1. First, no such law exists here in the states. Second, am I to assume from this statement that your answer to all problems is government regulation?

          2. It has been here in Australia. In 1996, a man by the name of Martin Bryant shot and/or killed more than 25 people at Port Arthur, in Tasmania. John Howard (who was then Prime Minister) tightened gun laws. Banned the sale of auto weapons. Tightened licencing and registration laws. Ran gun buyback programs. Gun crime is almost unheard of here. Suicides by guns have plummeted.
            Perhaps the US could take a leaf out of Australia’s book.

          3. Has your total crime rate decreased any? Or simply the tool used to commit the crimes changed? Bad people are going to do bad things with or without guns. The thing about guns is that it is the only effective tool that can put a100 pound female on an equal playing field in a combat situation with a 250 pound body builder. And make no mistake, when you are being mugged, or raped, or any other situation where your life is being put on the line, whether in civillian life or military service, that IS a combat situation. The CONCEPT of giving up that tool for the illusion of security is unfathomable to me.
            You keep your gun control and I will keep my guns

          4. You know what we in Australia haven’t had since gun laws were tightened after the Port Arthur Massacre?…. Another massacre…. not even one. You know what else is non existent? Accidental gun deaths…. our 5 year olds aren’t killing their two year old sisters!

        4. I call bullshit on the “can’t afford a big fancy gun safe” comment. Trigger locks cost $10 or less at WalMart. You can get a decent standing locker for under $100. Regardless, if should have been checked to make sure it was unloaded before being left anywhere.

        5. The child SHOULD NOT have had access to the rifle without adult
          supervision, and had the rifle been properly stored (I.E. with a
          breech-block and a trigger lock, not to mention in a longarm case) the
          kid would not have had access to the rifle. For fucks sake the first rule of firearms safety is to treat a firearm as if it is loaded AT ALL TIMES! Would you store a loaded rifle in a corner of a house? Hell no!
          The first and last thing you do when handling a firearm is insure the chamber is clear. You then put a trigger lock on the weapon, and store the ammo in a separate lock-box, which if you can afford a firearm you can afford an ammo box and a trigger lock. In some states the trigger lock is sold with the firearm.

          As a parent I would be devastated by this, however it does not change the fact that this was caused by ignoring the rules of firearms safety. Rules that you claim to know. If the rules had been followed the child would not have had access to the firearm to begin with.

          Now as far as safe storage equipment and expense: a 6 pk of trigger lock is on amazon for $32, not including shipping. A plano longarm case can be purchased for the same amount, from the same website, as can a padlock for around $14,so $28 for 2. An ammo box costs around $14 as well(that is what the second padlock is for). That comes to a subtotal of roughly $106. now assuming the average price of a .22 lr rifle is around $200 that would bring the total to $330 including shipping. Sorry not buying the whole “cannot afford storage for firearms/ammo” line.

        6. The gun has a lock and key safety mechanism that prevents a bullet from being chambered when it is engaged, it also requires pulling a lever in the back after the round is chambered to fire the rifle. I think it is completely idiotic to give a child a gun in the first place, but to give him a gun, teach him how to use it, and then to leave the gun in the open without any safety features engaged is criminal. If the parents had failed to place Caroline in a car seat and she was killed in an accident they could be charged with manslaughter. How is this any different? Their negligence led to her death, not to mention the guilt her brother will always have hanging over him.

          1. Also, the excuse that someone cant afford a gun safe is ridiculous. Even hiding the rifle in a closet would have better than leaving it in a corner where it could easily be accessed by the children in the house. Most importantly if these people had not bought their child a dangerous weapon their daughter would still be alive.

    2. Funny how I know little about guns, but I have more sense than these stupid rednecks that let their kid play with a gun. You’re an idiot if you think that this was unavoidable.

      1. So what you are saying is that if you were driving a manual transmission vehicle, were in a hurry and left the vehicle in neutral on a small grade and after you left your vehicle it rolled down hill and struck a pedestrian injuring or killing them, that wouldn’t be an accident because it was unavoidable if you had done something different?

        1. I’d think you’d still run the risk of being charged with involuntary manslaughter. I know of situation like that where a woman left her child in her car to go into the liquor store, allowing the car to roll out in front of a big truck, which did everything it could to stop–in fact it ended up jack knifed skidding sideways, and still hit the car, I know that woman was charged with negligence and her insurance had to pay all the damages. By some miracle, the step on the fuel tank picked the car up and carried it along with the truck until the truck stopped, and the toddler inside wasn’t injured at all. By another miracle, a state trooper was approaching from an intersection and saw the whole thing (which let it be believed that the truck driver was not speeding). It was an accident that allowed the car to roll out in the road, but one that was entirely preventable and luckily she paid for it and not the child or truck driver.

          1. And that may very well be true, but even you just admitted that it was still an accident…

        2. It wouldn’t be unavoidable because you’re supposed to put the handbrake on (I’m still learning to drive and I know that). Leaving a loaded gun out around a little kid is just asking for trouble. The parents were 100% responsible for what happened.
          I swear society is becoming more stupid and less accountable for their actions.

          1. So you were in such a hurry that you forgot to put the vehicle in gear, but not in such a hurry that you took the time to set the hand break? Which is assuming that the break is functioning correctly in the first place.

          2. If this is something that happensto you, please hand in your licence now. I’m ALWAYS in a hurry & I’m ALWAYS running late but I have NEVER neglected to put the handbrake on.

        3. Vehicular homicide/vehicular manslaughter is the charge when a fatal accident is the result of gross neglegence on the part ot the driver. Also, anyone who is dumb enough to leave a standard in neutral on a hill is too dumb to be driving a standard.

        4. Actually it was AVOIDABLE if you had done something different and although it is still an accident as there was no intent to kill the pedestrian it is still a case of negligent homicide.

    3. you sound like a fucking moron. the dumbass parents set this kid up for failure by leaving him unsupervised with a loaded weapon. leave aussie alone douchebag,,, i hope you dont have any guns or kids. jesus you have to a liscense to drive a car and go fucking fishing,,, having a child should also require a liscense.

      1. The stupidity in this comment hardly warrants response, but so that you don’t feel left out after I respond to the remaining comments, here you go…

        A license to fish, or hunt for that matter, are primarily for the sole purpose of paying for improvements to public lands or fisheries to make those sports more enjoyable for those who participate in them; not regulation.

        A license to drive, is only required if you are operating a motor vehicle on a public highway, not on private property.

        I personally do not have children, however, I grew up in a home with more firearms than I could count and personally carry in the same tradition to this day. And as far as them being loaded or unloaded, it depends on the location and purpose of each.

        With regard to the loaded weapon in question here, I will address it below so that I don’t have to repeat myself.

        1. While I agree that licenses to fish and hunt are used for improvements, you downgrade the fact that these permits are issued for the purpose of regulation. Regulation is a strong reasoning for permit issuance. Conservation must know how many deer (or roughly) are being tagged in any given area for the purposes of maintaining/controlling/thinning out a population. The same with any other large game.

          You seemingly don’t know very much about the very thing you are talking about.

          1. Licensing is not for that purpose, tagging/registering taken animals is. That is where your game population numbers come from (along with other sources) not the licensing itself. Numbers could just as easily by accumulated through the Telecheck system without the purchase of licenses.

          2. O_O Licensing ties a name to a tag in accordance with how many can be taken
            by one individual. You have to have a license/permit to even use the
            Telecheck service. I seriously do not know where you are getting your information from. In my state, you HAVE to have your license/permit to use the Telecheck service.

          3. The Telecheck system in this state can be used by anyone (ie, if you hit a deer with your car technically you are supposed to report it via that system). The amount of game that can be legally taken is based on population, not number of issued license. The POINT I was making, which you apparently either didn’t get or chose to ignore, was that the system COULD be used for calculation of population for wildlife management rather if they wanted to. Licensing is all about money. Has nothing to do with the way you manage a wildlife population. And FYI tags are separate from a license and STILL don’t do anything for population control. With the exception of specific animals, the majority of wildlife bag limits are simply STATED, rather than having to pay to attempt to fill them, you just go by the rules.

        2. i personally dont care if you think my commentis stupid or not,,, the fact remains that a kid shot his little sister because his parents failed to secure a loaded weapon. period.

    4. While I owned a pellet rifle at 5, I was not allowed to touch it without
      adult supervision. Before I could move to a more powerful rifle (like a
      .22) I had to be able to demonstrate that I could care for, handle,
      and store a firearm correctly. No, storing a .22 rifle in a corner is NOT correct
      storage. The kid should not have had access to the rifle, and would not have had access to the rifle had it been stored correctly. BTW I live right across the river in Indiana, and grew up in a bit of a rural community. As horrible as this is, I can only hope the parents use this tragedy as a wake-up call, and don’t try to sue the firearms manufacturer.

  14. People get really stupid around guns, and that poor little boy and girl paid the price for it. Even coming from a gun culture area, I agree that the parents should be charged with negligence. Five is no where near old enough to understand what was going to happen, especially if he hadn’t seen things killed with guns before, and I’d bet a lot of money that alongside that brightly colored real gun, the boy had brightly colored toy guns that he had been allowed to point at his sister and other people.

    You don’t register rifles or shotguns, so no violations there. I am from a gun culture area, and even with the rednecks I’ve known, I can’t see any of them giving a five year old a .22.

    A BB gun, I’ve seen. I thought it was stupid, but I’ve seen it. All the neighborhood boys here own BB guns–including my two oldest (12 and 13). They think they are the most deprived children ever, because as the only household in the neighborhood that actually owns real handguns, their dad is a stickler about gun safety rules. Their BB guns are put away in our room, and they aren’t allowed to shoot them at all in our neighborhood (can’t be sure of the safe backstop, so they have to wait until we take them to the gun range). The rest of the boys (down to 6 or 7!) are allowed to play with the BB guns as toys!

  15. Please do not think that everyone in Kentucky is a redneck. I live here in Kentucky. The rural backwoods is a different world from the city.

  16. The maternal grandparent just spoke out in this case. He was born and bred in the culture of guns.(he currently lives 800 miles away) Even he acknowledges that 5 yr olds have no business with their own rifles because they do look like toys. He of course is hurting at the senseless of the tradgedy of the lost of the 2 yr old and the emotional turmoil that the 5 yr old will most likely suffer. I really hope they can heal from this. However we can no longer see this as a “left” or “right” issues. This is so much bigger than that. Mental illness being the prevelant issue, along with greed, lack of suppervision of our children and really all people that live in the house with guns.
    My father kept a shotgun/rifle in his bed room in the back of the closet. The bullets were upon the self where we couldn’t reach. As “daddies hirls”

    1. Lynnetta JOHNSON

      Sorry as “daddies girls”, we felt we should know what to do just in case. My sister backed out at the last minute. I however was gungho and went speed ahead. Let me say I was 8/9 my sister 9/10. We never went to that part of the closet again. I do believe that as a nation we should be prepared. But this is not what the issue at hand is about. Having a house with multiple assault guns. Rifles, semi-automatics

      1. The grandfather of the 5 yr old that shot his sister had this to say, and he grew up with plenty of guns in the home.

        http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51886589/
        Sorry my key board froze several times last night.

  17. I always read this site and I totally agree with your thoughts on gun safety. I am however offended that you referred to people from KY as “rednecks” and “in breeders”! I’m from Texas and I would hope you don’t refer to us as that!

    1. Every state in the union has their own version of rednecks. In Jersey we called them pineys.

      1. That’s true! Sorry for the overreaction!

  18. It’s funny that you use the terms “hick” and “redneck”, when half of the stuff written on this site is misspelled and one may think you the one illiterate and ignorant. These stereotypes are what is wrong with the world we live in. Yes, these parents did make a huge mistake but in their rural culture giving a child marketed rifle (manufactured out of Pennsylvania, we call that the north, not quite redneck country as you have described it.) Also the gun was a gift from the grandmother, not the parents. The comments about in breeding are offensive and not necessary. The demographic has nothing to do with this issue. Gun accidents and school shootings happen all over the world and all over the U.S. the fact that this accident happened in Kentucky “by the way” has nothing to do with it. I agree with the fact that these parents were irresponsible with gun safety, but this is a tragedy not an opportunity to take stabs at the people of a rural community.

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