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Philly Breeders starve 3-year-old girl to death

Rivera and Ramirez

Parents charged with murder in starvation death of 3-year-old girl:

Ah Philadelphia, how I do not miss your barbarism towards your fellow-man. City of brotherly love my ass.

This time the participants are 30-year-old Carlos Rivera and 27-year-old Carmen Ramirez. They’ve been accused of allegedly starving Nathalyz Rivera, their 3-year-old daughter, to death. When Rivera found little Nathalyz unconscious instead of calling 911 he called Ramirez who was at a male friend’s house. Ramirez and the male friend came over and THEN took Nathalyz to the hospital.

The M.E. ruled her death homicide by starvation and said that she showed obvious signs of abuse. The Captain of Philadelphia’s homicide unit said it was one of the worst cases of abuse that he’s seen. When a Captain of the Philadelphia homicide unit says something is the worst he’s ever seen you can take his word for it because Philly is never short on atrocities. Police also say that Ramirez claimed that Nathalyz was a special needs child which makes me wonder if they were just starving her or the other four kids as well.

Police are still investigating and asking the public for tips…

As this investigation continues, anyone with information is asked to contact Philadelphia Police at 215-686-TIPS (8477), text a tip to PPD TIP (773847) or through PhillyPolice.com.

Thanks to Sarah for the tip.

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  1. This story makes me ashamed to be from Philly 🙁 There have been some pretty horrifying stories from there lately.

  2. Burns me up when I hear about special-needs children being mistreated. My own son is special-needs. That makes me protective of him…maybe a little too protective at times!
    There’s a reason why that city is known as Killadelphia.

    1. Two things occur to me: first, do we have anything but the word of her mother and murderer to prove that she was indeed special needs? Because this seems to be a common theme among abusers, like it’s some sort of defense for neglecting your child. Brian and Shannon Gore claimed their daughter had CP and MR even though she was born at home and had never seen a doctor, teacher, or anyone who wasn’t Brian and Shannon Gore. I don’t buy it for a minute unless there is confirmation from a professional. Second, if she was special needs, was she born with those needs or did she acquire them through extreme neglect?

      1. Oh yes, it is a VERY common theme. Erica Parsons supposedly has a severe learning disability and is 3 years behind in school as a result. Genie was supposedly “retarded” according to her father, but at 13 she was almost completely incapable of communication and could barely walk. I found an article a few weeks ago about an 8-year-old girl named Danielle who was starving, covered in filth, and supposedly “retarded” as well (though in her case, it seems to run in the family, the mother was totally unfit to care for her).

        In the cases of Genie and Danielle, it’s hard to tell whether or not they were truly special needs or were neglected to the point that their development was in fact delayed.

        Abusers constantly lie about the children they abuse; if the kids aren’t “retarded” then they’re “mentally ill,” violent and crazy and all that shizz. Well, what child wouldn’t be violent and turn on the abuser once they were big and strong enough to take the abuser on…

    2. Growing up we called it Philthadelphia but I like yours better.

  3. So damn sad…

  4. I’ve worked in two shelters; one a homeless shelter, limited to women, women with children, and intact families (married heteros with children), the other a residential shelter for adolescent girls whose behavior is so horrible that they can’t stay in foster homes. I also spent some time in a couple of foster homes as a teenager, and was inter-family adopted by an aunt & uncle as a pubescent. I’ve also had countless therapists over my nearly half a century of life. Some were decent, a few were great (including my current shrink), and some totally sucked at their job and were of no help whatsoever. Some shrinks actually do more harm than good. I’m not a social worker or any other type of “professional”, but I think I’ve had a pretty good view of the child welfare system and lousy parenting – both personally and vocationally.

    First of all, let’s be clear that child abuse/neglect isn’t new. It’s been going on since time immemorial, but people now prefer to think that it’s got to be worse than ever or get all nostalgic about the “good old days” when there wasn’t much of it. Pah! Patent nonsense, folks. Two things allow this warped view: even blatant child abuse was rarely reported in those “good old days” (usually under the rules of “it ain’t my business” and “spare the rod, spoil the child”), and we now have the internet, 24/7 media, more surveillance, more complicated lives, and well – a much bigger population, so the numbers look even more shocking. To literally illustrate that child abuse occurred way back when, I have a book published by Time/Life back in the mid-’70s called “Violence in Our Time.” The violence in the book is categorized by type, i.e. “Murder”, “War”, etc. In the section about domestic violence (not specifically the abuse of children), there is,
    ~ A extreme close-up b-&-w photo of a beautiful little 3-year-old girl holding a toy duck. She has not one, but TWO black eyes.
    ~ A photo of a girl who appears to be 6 or 7. She is cowering next to a water heater in what looks to be a run-down room. She is naked, except for underwear, thin, grimy-looking, and obviously crying. Her hair is dark and very messy. A cheap doll hangs from one hand. There is a social worker (according to the caption) bending over the girl, apparently trying to comfort her. The girl has been RAPED, thus the presence of a social worker. I can tell from the style of the lady’s hair, clothing, and shoes that this photo is from the WWII era. Yes, little girls were raped -right here in America – way back then.Som~ A photo of two boys (8-10?) side-by-side and face-down on an ugly bare mattress. These boys are – like the child above – naked except for underwear. They are HOG-TIED tightly with rope. Why? Because the parents wanted to go out for the evening and “didn’t want the boys getting into trouble.” That photo was from the mythically-wonderful 1950’s.

    There is a lot more in the book, but I can’t describe every photo, of course. I would like to clarify, for the record, that most of the children in the book were white – although the 3-year-old girl with black eyes I described first MAY (or may not) have been Hispanic. They didn’t give too much specific info, so as not to identify the children. An ironic thing is that there is no way in fucking HELL that book could have been published today. We want to read about child abuse in news reports, but we don’t really want to SEE it for ourselves. Besides, HIPAA laws and all that crap would prevent such a publication.

    I don’t have all the answers, nor do I want to be one of those people who does nothing but express outrage every time these accounts pop up – which is daily, if you read enough news. It’s fine to want these “Bad Breeders” heads on a pike in the public square. I’m good with that. But it’s always too late by then, isn’t it? If the child survived whatever was done, he/she is going to be forever damaged. Some will cope, get the proper help, and hopefully not turn into victimizers themselves. We only have hints of why some victims of child abuse turn out okay (or fairly okay), while others become victimizers themselves or are so damaged that hey end up as non-functional human beings (addicts or criminals or the chronically homeless or whatever.

    Rats. The hubby just got home so I need to wrap this bitch UP.
    ~ More accessible birth control – and do whatever we need to get MEN to use it, too!

    ~ Streamlined adoptions, including tax incentives to do so.
    ~ Specialized orphanages for children who cannot or will not be adopted. NO TURNING DOWN TAXES TO FUND THESE!
    ~ Keep abortion services LEGAL, and remove state barriers to getting them. (Sorry to those with religious objections – but we have to be pragmatic, not ideological.)
    ~ A hard-ass and prolonged campaign to convince men that getting chicks pregnant and walking away is not cool.
    ~ A “NO TOLERANCE” policy towards child abuse and neglect. There will be no “family reunification” if you are confirmed to have abused or neglected your child. There WILL be prison terms and you WILL be shamed as much as possible IN PUBLIC.
    ~ If convicted of any level of child abuse, your parental rights WILL be SEVERED.
    ~ Depending on the crime, you MAY be given a choice between surgical sterilization or a prison term
    ~ No more candy-ass waste-of-money programs like “parenting classes.” They will never make a loving parent out of those inclined to cruelty and abuse, and cannot make an incompetent parent competent. Love cannot be “taught.” As for people who say they “don’t know how” to be a good parent – I call bullshit on that. This excuse is dangled over their heads and they take it EVERY TIME.

    Well, that’s it. No one can say they don’t know how I feel, huh?

    Thanks for the opportunity to sound off, Trench. Keep up the good work!

    Always,
    Sheryl in the Midwest

  5. “He called Ramirez who was at a male friend’s house”…yes, a male “friend” indeed. Could it be possible that mum was whoring it up while her daughter was dying?

  6. These two perps, a six by six cell, one cracker a day until one kills the other for food. Then no crackers a day for the survivor. Cost to the taxpayers for this application of the death penalty: a couple of boxes of saltines. Who says no one cares about budgets anymore?

  7. I keep coming back to this story. I can’t get over it. I have a little dog, a Yorkie, that weighs about the same as this poor little mite did when she died. How do you just stop feeding your child? Good God.

  8. I remember being a little kid and going down to Philly to pick up my Abuelita who had flown in from Puerto Rico. When I was in that city I was terrified! I was relieved when I got back home to Upstate NY!
    May Nathalyz rest in peace.

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