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Clint and Lynn Engstrom's Daughter Testifies That She Was "Bad"

Clint and Lynn EngstromRecently we reported on the case of Clint and Lynn Engstrom, the Oshkosh, Wisconsin couple who kept Clint’s 13-year-old daughter in her room for 22 hours a day. Today was the teenager’s turn to tell her side of the story – in court.

According to the girl, she wasn’t physically locked in her room, but merely ordered to remain their for her “bad” behavior, which included talking back, hitting, kicking, and lying. In other words, being a pre-teen. When the teen asked her stepmom why she couldn’t see her friends from an old private school, Lynn Engstrom reportedly told her that all her friends hated her. Nice. It sounds like the parents’ treatment of this girl became a self-fulfilling prophecy: the more they told her she was bad, and treated her as bad, the more she internalized it…and the worse her punishments became.

Meanwhile, the blame game continues in fierce fashion, with Lynn Engstrom saying she did only what the girl’s psychiatrist told her to do, and with psychiatrist Dr. John Korger denying he ever told the parents to lock her in a bare room with a piss-soaked mattress. And the Engstrom’s attorney continues to maintain that the two did everything they could to “help” their daughter. Spare me. Depriving a kid of two years of her childhood? Treating her like the Cinderella of the house, while her three siblings slept in rooms stocked with toys, on clean and comfy beds?

That is criminal negligence. it’s abuse. And there is no excuse for it.

(Hat tip: Sinthyia)

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  1. Remember the famous line from the Smothers Brothers?

    “Mom always liked you best!!”

    One of the most taboo of subjects about groups, including familes, is that the cohesive strength of any human group is at least partly dependent upon isolating and mistreating the lowest ranking member of the group. This behavior reinforces the authority of those at the top and provides everyone wiht someone to feel superior to.

    Read Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery” for a good example of this phenomenon.

  2. Find the two spelling errors and win a prize.

  3. Remember the famous line from the Smothers Brothers?

    “Mom always liked you best!!”

    One of the most taboo of subjects about groups, including familes, is that the cohesive strength of any human group is at least partly dependent upon isolating and mistreating the lowest ranking member of the group. This behavior reinforces the authority of those at the top and provides everyone wiht someone to feel superior to.

    Read Shirley Jackson’s “The Lottery” for a good example of this phenomenon.

  4. Find the two spelling errors and win a prize.

  5. Families and with. What did I win? “The Lottery” is awesome, I read it in my teens and never forgot it.I agree with the “group” theory. I’ve had that theory for years, as I’ve worked in quite a few group settings at very diverse jobs (outdoor children’s camp settings to windowless factory-type jobs). I always observed that there was one person in each group (and it would change periodically)who would be the one others would complain about, hate, ridicule (usually behind their back) and ostracize.Fortunately, I was never that person, I just laid low with friends and observed the dynamics.

  6. Families and with. What did I win? “The Lottery” is awesome, I read it in my teens and never forgot it.I agree with the “group” theory. I’ve had that theory for years, as I’ve worked in quite a few group settings at very diverse jobs (outdoor children’s camp settings to windowless factory-type jobs). I always observed that there was one person in each group (and it would change periodically)who would be the one others would complain about, hate, ridicule (usually behind their back) and ostracize.Fortunately, I was never that person, I just laid low with friends and observed the dynamics.

  7. Yeah, that is just wrong. That poor kid! I hope justice is served in this case. No child can be that “bad” to deserve isolation. Geez, parents these days are insane.

  8. Yeah, that is just wrong. That poor kid! I hope justice is served in this case. No child can be that “bad” to deserve isolation. Geez, parents these days are insane.

  9. I realize that this treatment might sound bad and I am in no way condoning the behavior if it did in fact happen! However, I don’t feel that it is fair that people are automatically passing judgement when no one was proven guilty these are only simply accusations! The reports of the situation that makes the original complaint false in some points never seems to be posted and therefore the parents continue to be labeled! I don’t feel that we should talk or make conclusions until the parents have been found guilty in the court of law!

  10. I realize that this treatment might sound bad and I am in no way condoning the behavior if it did in fact happen! However, I don’t feel that it is fair that people are automatically passing judgement when no one was proven guilty these are only simply accusations! The reports of the situation that makes the original complaint false in some points never seems to be posted and therefore the parents continue to be labeled! I don’t feel that we should talk or make conclusions until the parents have been found guilty in the court of law!

  11. They are innocent, and should not have even been arrested.

    The child chose the path of greatest resistance and then became unhappy with the result. The child chose, by her own admission, to misbehave.

    The mistake these parents made was in trying the “timeout” method for too long. That method simply doesn’t work with some children. After a few months, when it became obvious that the child’s attitude had not changed, they should have graduated to other more direct measures. Had you grandparents spit in their mother’s plate, justice would have been swift and absolute. Here too, justice should have been swift and absolute. Spanking, as one such approach doesn’t work with all children either, so then you try the next, and the next, and eventually you find a way to reach the child.

    Did the parents make a mistake? Yes, but not a felonious mistake. This is over zealous prosecution, somebody trying to make a name for himself.

  12. They are innocent, and should not have even been arrested.

    The child chose the path of greatest resistance and then became unhappy with the result. The child chose, by her own admission, to misbehave.

    The mistake these parents made was in trying the “timeout” method for too long. That method simply doesn’t work with some children. After a few months, when it became obvious that the child’s attitude had not changed, they should have graduated to other more direct measures. Had you grandparents spit in their mother’s plate, justice would have been swift and absolute. Here too, justice should have been swift and absolute. Spanking, as one such approach doesn’t work with all children either, so then you try the next, and the next, and eventually you find a way to reach the child.

    Did the parents make a mistake? Yes, but not a felonious mistake. This is over zealous prosecution, somebody trying to make a name for himself.

  13. Lynn, everyone in the world knows that you’re a filthy lying dirtball. Are you so stupid that you think nobody knows it’s YOU posting under ‘unknown’? You’re dumb as a stump, and mean too; it’s unfortunate that you’ve procreated. I feel so badly for your offspring. For their sake you should have never been let out of jail….but on second thought, why should us Wisconsin taxpayers have to support your sorry ass while you rot in jail? It’s puzzling, isn’t it, that you received better treatment IN JAIL than you gave your adopted daughter? You dug your own hole, and now it’s caving in on you. Tough crap, you deserve it and everything that comes your way from now on. And guess what else? NOBODY LIKES YOU. How does it feel to be told that, just like you told your daughter? If you had any decency, you’d be ashamed of yourself.

  14. Lynn, everyone in the world knows that you’re a filthy lying dirtball. Are you so stupid that you think nobody knows it’s YOU posting under ‘unknown’? You’re dumb as a stump, and mean too; it’s unfortunate that you’ve procreated. I feel so badly for your offspring. For their sake you should have never been let out of jail….but on second thought, why should us Wisconsin taxpayers have to support your sorry ass while you rot in jail? It’s puzzling, isn’t it, that you received better treatment IN JAIL than you gave your adopted daughter? You dug your own hole, and now it’s caving in on you. Tough crap, you deserve it and everything that comes your way from now on. And guess what else? NOBODY LIKES YOU. How does it feel to be told that, just like you told your daughter? If you had any decency, you’d be ashamed of yourself.

  15. I find so much humor in the stupidity of some posters here. I, a truly unknown individual, have been accused, tried, and convicted without any evidence so much for innocent until proven guilty, but then again that seems to be the standard here on this board. Unlike most posters on this board, I STILL believe that we are all INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty, as does the judge in this case. The truth IS coming out, we already know either the girl or the police are lying, and even the judge was able to see this, that’s why he reduced the bail. We also know, that most on this board are single minded, sit in judgment for fear of being judged, and are unable to discern between their ignorance and the truth.

    For those who continue to believe I am somehow involved with this case, PLEASE continue your posts as I enjoy a good laugh, and that is exactly how I view your conclusions about the case, and about my identity, HILARIOUS!

  16. I find so much humor in the stupidity of some posters here. I, a truly unknown individual, have been accused, tried, and convicted without any evidence so much for innocent until proven guilty, but then again that seems to be the standard here on this board. Unlike most posters on this board, I STILL believe that we are all INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty, as does the judge in this case. The truth IS coming out, we already know either the girl or the police are lying, and even the judge was able to see this, that’s why he reduced the bail. We also know, that most on this board are single minded, sit in judgment for fear of being judged, and are unable to discern between their ignorance and the truth.

    For those who continue to believe I am somehow involved with this case, PLEASE continue your posts as I enjoy a good laugh, and that is exactly how I view your conclusions about the case, and about my identity, HILARIOUS!

  17. Who cares, I still think you’re Lynn and I’m glad you think I’m stupid. You look like you smell bad and it’s fun to pick on you because you get all upset and claim that you think it’s hilarious. Well, I’m all for humour and having a good time, so let’s keep on going! I think it’s fun! Now go sterilize yourself, then lock yourself in a room far, far away and spare the earth any further strain of your pathetic existence.
    p.s. My favorite thing about your posts is how you try super-hard to work in all those big words so you sound really smart. That’s like, sooooo cool!

  18. Who cares, I still think you’re Lynn and I’m glad you think I’m stupid. You look like you smell bad and it’s fun to pick on you because you get all upset and claim that you think it’s hilarious. Well, I’m all for humour and having a good time, so let’s keep on going! I think it’s fun! Now go sterilize yourself, then lock yourself in a room far, far away and spare the earth any further strain of your pathetic existence.
    p.s. My favorite thing about your posts is how you try super-hard to work in all those big words so you sound really smart. That’s like, sooooo cool!

  19. The DA couldn’t prove the case, so they settled. Looks like I was right on the money.

  20. The DA couldn’t prove the case, so they settled. Looks like I was right on the money.

  21. Unknown! Let’s be a little realistic here. Did you ever think that maybe people are just tired of hearing about children being beaten, abused or killed and that all they have to go on is what the media puts out there for them to read. My god it is gross and heartbreaking what people do to their children, The cute innocent babies they adopt or had brought into this world. Whatever happened to protect your children from all evil and harm, not harm them yourselves. Maybe, your right and people do not have all the facts , the whole truth may not have been told but bottomline is the media portrays it as child- abuse. That child was suppose to be loved and protected, was she? It appears not!

  22. Unknown! Let’s be a little realistic here. Did you ever think that maybe people are just tired of hearing about children being beaten, abused or killed and that all they have to go on is what the media puts out there for them to read. My god it is gross and heartbreaking what people do to their children, The cute innocent babies they adopt or had brought into this world. Whatever happened to protect your children from all evil and harm, not harm them yourselves. Maybe, your right and people do not have all the facts , the whole truth may not have been told but bottomline is the media portrays it as child- abuse. That child was suppose to be loved and protected, was she? It appears not!

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