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Children abducted from Grandma’s house in Tampa, FL

Amber Alert issued for two children kidnapped in Tampa by parents, considered armed and dangerous

This Amber Alert has also been extended to Louisiana, Georgia and Alabama

Cole Hakken (4) and his little brother Chase Hakken (2) have been kidnapped by their breeders Joshua Michael Hakken (35) and Sharyn Hakken (34). Mr Hakken broke into the boys’ maternal grandma’s house at 6.30am, tied up Grandma and took the boys. Mrs Hakken was waiting outside. The boys’ grandfather had already left for work at the time of the abduction.

The couple fled in a 2009 silver Toyota Camry, which was later found abandoned. The state of Louisiana had taken away the breeders’ rights and placed the boys with their grandparents after a “series of incidents”, one of them including neglect. The breeders were also charged with drug possession in the presence of their children. After losing custody, Mr Hakken tried to take the boys from a foster care facility. He was beating on the door and waving a gun. When he couldn’t get inside, he fled.

There is a warrant out for Mr Hakken’s arrest. His crimes are kidnapping, 2 counts of interfering with child custody, 2 counts of child neglect, 2 counts false imprisonment, 1 count burglary with battery and 1 count Grand Theft Auto. Mrs Hakken has not been charged with any crime as of yet.

The couple are now believed to be traveling in a black 2006 GMC Sierra, registered to Mr Hakken., rego number U95KT. It was believed that they were towing a camping trailer, but the trailer has since been located in Florida.

Chase Hakken is 3′, 33lbs, brown hair and brown eyes, Caucasian. He was wearing pyjamas at the time of the abduction.

Cole Hakken is 3’9″, 44lbs, brown hair and brown eyes, Caucasian. He was also wearing pyjamas.

Joshua Hakken is Caucasian, 5’9″. He had a reddish beard at the time of the abduction. He has brown hair and brown eyes.

Sharyn Hakken is Caucasian, 5’4″ with brown hair and hazel eyes.

The couple is considered armed and dangerous. DO NOT APPROACH THEM. Call 911 if you see them or the vehicle (2006 black GMC Sierra, plate number U95KT)

These fuckwits sound like conspiracy theorists and may be mentally unstable. Coupled with that and the fact that they’re armed makes me worry. Hopefully the boys turn up safe and sound.

Since these pathetic losers like to Google their own names to see what’s being said about them, it’s only a matter of time before they show their sorry arses up on here and try to defend their actions. “The gubbermint took our children” “They control your minds through vaccinations” etc. We’ll be here waiting for them.

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  1. Sorry, but it looks like the government took their kids in connection with a marijuana possession charge. Some people will just go nuts when you touch their kids,

  2. Dad looks completely insane in that picture.

  3. Don’t be retarded. The charges were for pot. How does that make them bad parents? If anything they are model parents, willing to risk jail for THEIR KIDS (not the states kids) I wish them much luck in their venture. May god protect them from the jack boot thugs that seek them.

    1. I agree with you somewhat. I don’t think children should be taken away from their parents for marijuana charges (rehab and parenting classes seem sufficient). If I knew taking my children would cause “jack boot thugs” with WEAPONS to pursue me, I would have to put my children’s safety ahead of my need to be with them. Although, pushed to the limits by a corrupted system, I can understand why they would do this. I hope there is a happy resolution to this FUBAR situation.

    2. You clearly didn’t see the charges for neglect either. So neglecting your child makes you a model parent now does it? That’s what makes them BAD parents. That and the fact that Mr Hakken tied up sweet old Granny to get to the kids proves that he’s a violent and unstable crapwad. May their rights be terminated and they never get to neglect their kids ever again.

      1. My sister lived in FL 4 years ago. She had a bad bought of bronchitis and no access to medical care (although her children were fully insured). Her friend gave her an albuterol inhaler to help. At a routine traffic stop (tail light out) a police officer spotted the inhaler on her seat next to her and asked if she had a prescription. She was honest with him, subsequently arrested for possession of a controlled substance, and charged with child neglect because her three children were in the back seat. A year long court battle and a sensible judge later, she paid a fine and did 10 hours of community service. Long story short, FL charges any parent with child neglect if they are found in possession of a controlled substance. The system is not always fair, but these parents should have tried to work within it rather than put their children in a dangerous, man-hunt situation. Pushed to the limit, I would die for my children, so I don’t condone their actions, but I can empathize.

        1. Citation: Fla. Stat. Ann. § 39.01(32) (LexisNexis through 2012 Sess.)

          1. And you know who has done a great job of gathering support in favor of this law? THESE TWO IDIOTS! They are behaving like the living embodiment of a stereotypical caricature of the Violent Evil Marijuana Smoking Pot Head straight out of a 1960’s episode of Dragnet. In fact, were I an anti-legalization advocate, or a supporter of this law, I would be rubbing my hands together and cackling with glee because I couldn’t have written a script to better support my position. These two just set the legalization movement back five giant steps with their reckless and idiotic behavior. And all future parents who lose custody of their kids because of a personal use amount of pot owe these two morons a great big thank you, because instead of using their situation to speak out against this practice, and thereby gathering support to change it, they used their behavior to justify its existence. Because instead of thinking, “Oh wow, that’s really sad. Look what happened to this family. Maybe we should talk about changing that law.” people reading about this family are thinking, “I guess they were right to take the kids away from these two violent nutjobs. Good law, that.”

        2. Doesn’t matter. She was obviously an unfit mother that deserved to have her children removed from her custody and handed over to strangers, where they can most likely be put on a c*cktail of psychotropic drugs (anyone can just google “foster children psychiatric drugs”), and possibly sexually abused (google “foster care sexual abuse”).

          Unfortunately, some people seem to have a bizarre darkness in their psyche that causes them to make preprogrammed judgements and then disparage, with the most vitriolic and baseless attacks, any that disagree ranting with blind emotional bias and no ability to have any kind of rational consideration of any other position.

          Look at this stuff… “Is your drug-fried mind unable to comprehend…” Is my brain any more “drug fried” than that of the current president that’s admitted to marijuana use, or the previous and his cocaine use, or any number of others that were alcoholics? The ridiculously prejudiced characterization of these “wackos” (one a mechanical engineer and USAF vet, the other with a masters in civil engineering) is so bizarrely ignorant and out of touch that it seems lifted in its entirety from the “Reefer Madness” cutting room floor.

          Also notice how she didn’t have any response to your story. That’s because it’s just another angle that puts the lie to Aussie’s “charged with neglect” BS.

          The saddest part is that the venom these people spew is based on so little evidence, yet to hear them talk you’d think they were personal witnesses. It says that they were initially arrested a year ago on marijuana-related CHARGES. It says NOTHING about a conviction. Aussie writes that “he was beating on the door and waving a gun.” Says who? First of all, the reports I’ve seen have only generally said that he/they were armed at the foster center. Second of all, if that were actually true, why wasn’t he arrested at the time? “He fled?” Where’s the police report? Have they been trying to track him down? According to a report I saw, neighbors say they saw his vehicles at his house until just recently, so why hadn’t he been picked up for brandishing a weapon and attempted kidnapping?

          Ah well… as I said, measured consideration doesn’t seem to be either Aussie’s or Lucy’s forte, nor others of their disposition. Unfortunately, in its stead, blind acceptance of government/MSM manure and a kneejerk willingness to demonize those they would so dehumanizingly refer to as the “childrens’ breeders.” (which effectively dehumanizes the children as well, but I guess that doesn’t concern them)

        3. This brought to mind “the Lucifer effect” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xpsVlY3QQc). Are you saying these parents aren’t “bad apples (horrible people),” they were in a “bad barrel (horrible situation)” made by a “bad barrel maker (‘corrupted system’)?

    3. I’d say showing up at a place full of children while waving a gun with the intention of abduction makes you a bad parent. Not to mention breaking into a house, attacking and tying up Grandma in front of the kids, and abandoning her like that, and disrupting their lives fuller by taking them on multi-state chase because they’re too immature and selfish to handle their legal situation responsibly makes you an even worse one.

    4. Wow, you don’t get it, do you? Any righteous indignation they might have garnered for their children being removed over what plenty of people would consider a bullshit pot charge went out the window when they waved a gun around at a facility that houses children, and when they took the children by force from the home of their grandmother, assaulted her, and put them in danger and in the most unstable circumstances possible. And we know they have a gun. Whatever happened before that moment, whatever kind of parents they were or weren’t, stopped mattering the minute they decided to put their own instant gratification wants above their childrens’ safety. They put their children in danger for their own selfish reasons. They are NOT good parents. They are selfish, immature, narcissistic assholes. They broke the law. Whether they or anyone else agrees with the law is irrelevant. They knew it was illegal, and they chose to take the risk, roll the dice, and do it anyway. They lost. That is 100% on them. And instead of lawyering up and dicking around with the courts while the kids vacation at Grandma’s, jumping through some hoops, probably taking a court ordered drug class, then reuniting as a family with lesson learned (regardless of the opinion of the majority of Americans, pot is still illegal in most places. Don’t mix illegal and kids) they are going to prison. And how will that help their children, huh?

      Grow the fuck up. This isn’t fucking Robin Hood. These are not folk heroes to be admired. They’re selfish assholes. And they just ruined any hope they had of ever being a normal family. And it was not their right to take that away from their kids.

  4. I pray that they don’t hurt those little guys.

  5. Well this article just sucked the government c*ck…. of course he doesn’t want to hurt anyone. Like most of us, we just want to live in peace… too bad government is a violent monopoly that won’t allow that to happen. Fuck the criminals that kidnapped his kids from him in the first place!

    1. What if I told you that these fucks also neglected their kids? I hope they never ever get them back! I friggen hate all of you conspiracy theory nutjobs, you all sound like drug crazed freaks. Don’t let the door knock your tin foil hat off on the way out.

      1. If you said “these fucks” “neglected their kids,” I’d say you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. They’re being *charged* with neglect. I guess innocent until proven guilty is passe. If they’re being charged, it must be true. Police never put up bullshit charges, after all. It’s got as much legitimacy as the “kidnapping” charge. State steals children from parents because they smoke pot (like millions of other responsible adults), and that’s “right.” Couple takes their kids back, that’s “kidnapping.” Keep lovin’ that Newspeak.

        Seriously… these two obviously should have just gotten their buzz off of a legal, family-friendly intoxicant like alcohol. Then the kids would obviously be safe.

        And I gotta love this self-righteous outrage about a family and their children that you so despicably dehumanize by associating them with livestock in referring to the parents as “their breeders.” You don’t give a shit about those kids.

        1. Do you really need a reason as to why children shouldn’t live with illegal drug users? Is your drug-fried mind unable to comprehend why the state would remove children from parents who use illegal drugs?
          The police obviously have enough evidence to charge these two with neglect. Coupled with that and the fact that they ran away and took children from their legal guardian just screams guilty. Drug use leads to neglect of children, abuse of children, potentially dangerous situations with other drug users invading their home. The parents spend all their money on drugs and are so high that they even forget they have children. So shut your bong hole and stop defending these freaks who think the government stole their children for no reason. Obviously the state had very good reason to place the kids with their Grandma (not with foster carers), because these wackos are obviously paranoid from all the pot they’ve been smoking and think everyone’s out to get them.

    2. Doesn’t want to hurt anyone, which of course is exactly why he was banging on the door of the foster care facility waving a gun. And if they’d opened the door, what then? Shoot them? No sense waving a gun if you’re not prepared to use it. Your friend is an idiot. He couldn’t be bothered to get a lawyer and fight it out in court, so now when caught (and he will be) he will go to prison and not see his kids grow up at all. And until that time, he has doomed his kids to a horrible non-life. No schools, no doctors, no friends, no real home, always on the run with the wolf at the door – I can’t think of much crueler than that. Whether the initial removal of the children was just or not is now completely irrelevant. Your friend is a selfish prick and a horrible father, because he has done the absolute WORST thing for his children that he possibly could have done in this situation.

  6. So neglecting your kids is OK now is it? All these marijuana apologists piss me off. My brother used to smoke a lot of weed & he was so out of it most days that he couldn’t take care of a cat let alone kids. If you have kids, be a responsible adult & stop smoking weed! Fucking idiots.

    1. Eh – I don’t have kids, but when I’m in charge of them I don’t smoke around them, even if they go to bed or are old enough to fend for themselves. Since I take mine for medical reasons, I will take the bedtime toke, but only after I open the bedroom doors, put the monitor on high and triple check the kids… It doesn’t make me any higher than Vicodin would, it just doesn’t make me as nauseated as Vicodin does and works better, for me. But then again, I work 40+ hours a week, spend about 25 hours a week driving and have activities I participate in and I don’t smoke during any of that either. There are those of us out there that can use it and still be responsible, productive adults… just sayin’. Not defending these fools in any way shape or form by the way. 😉

      PS: The parents ALWAYS know that I will take my medicine last thing before the lights go out, otherwise I will not sleep a wink. I will just lay awake all night feeling the pain/pins & needles in my back from nerve damage.

  7. These people are not the kids “parents”. They were stripped of their parental rights on Tuesday. More than likely the kids were originally removed from their care because of illegal drugs and firearms within reach of the children. I am assuming that after the gun incident at the foster home that the bioparents didn’t show up for any case or court hearings regarding their children and therefore the children were considered abandoned by their bioparents. They gave the court system no choice.

  8. I just heard on ABC news, they made it all the way to Cuba. Tricky, since we don’t have an extradition treaty with them, and haven’t been on the best of terms in the past. (Americans are banned from traveling there for tourism purposes.) They might have gotten away with it. Apparently, though, we asked pretty please could we have them back, and Cuba, maybe thinking they owe us over the whole Elian Gonzoles thing, agreed. So, they’re on their way back here, and the kids are safe. Yeay.

    1. Of course they would go to Cuba, it’s a communist country. Just what these conspiracy left-thinking freaks like.

      1. In a surprise twist I read that Cuba is being more than helpful in returning the kids to The States.

        1. “Take me to the April sun in Cuba”. Skye and I can go there, you guys will just have to settle for a postcard 😛

          1. Being a Yank I’ll wait until Castro’s dead if that ever happens.

          2. Even then, we have to stop over in Mexico or Canada and change planes. Beyonce and Jay-Z got busted by the Feds going to Cuba for their wedding anniversary.

      2. Right… these former USAF gun-owning “lefties.”

        1. You seem to have a vast wealth of knowledge about these two that you are intentionally not sharing. Maybe you should enlighten us all to the wonderment of their parenting skills instead of leaving pointless little tidbits? Otherwise maybe you should troll elsewhere?

          1. “Vast wealth of knowledge?” Just what I’ve read in the news. See, I like to look into things myself, not just take what one ass-headed blogger farts on her keyboard and run with it.

            “Intentionally not sharing?” I think you’re confusing “not sharing” with “not spoon-feeding idiot chimps that should know how to work a search engine on their own.”

            From a WEEK ago:
            “My name is Joshua Hakken,” he wrote. “I am a father, a registered professional mechanical engineer and a veteran of the USAF.”
            http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/hillsborough-deputies-investigating-child-kidnapping/2112866

            Same article:
            “Cpl. Kevin Bodie said Joshua Hakken is an engineer who owns a business in South Tampa.”

            From the Daily Mail: “According to her Facebook page, Sharyn Hakken got her Bachelor’s degree from University of South Florida in geotechnical engineering in 2001 before obtaining a Master’s degree in civil engineering from USF in 2008.
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2304553/Hakken-brothers-missing-Truck-belonging-anti-government-parents-kidnapped-toddler-sons-abandoned-Florida-garage.html

            But what kind of idiot would believe the Facebook page of a “loser fuckwit?” Oh, what’s this? Their engineering licenses?

            https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=108031B5B22C6B75D19D165320D67240

            https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp?SID=&id=8683AA27FEA6542AE412901ED4EC1D5F

            Hm… what else we got…

            “I asked the Slidell Police Department for Hakken’s arrest report, and was told that it’s being kept private because Hakken’s drug charges are still pending.”
            http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/04/louisiana-police-claim-hakkens-said-they

            So there’s our verification that his children were stolen from their mother and father based upon a CHARGE and not a CONVICTION. Due process anyone? Innocent until proven guilty? Fuck it.

            And of course, let’s not forget this:

            UPDATE: Det. Daniel Seuzeneau, who it turns out is the public information officer for the Slidell Police Department, and not the officer who arrested Joshua Hakken, emails:
            “Mr. Hakken, as far as we know, was not at an anti-government rally. I never made that statement and don’t know where that came
            from.”
            http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/04/anti-government-couple-who-abducted-thei

            Lesson over, kiddies. Watch that last step off the short bus… it’s a doozy. Get home safe now.

          2. You seem to have an awful lot of time on your hands. Did your mama go off to work and leave you in the basement?

          3. Hmmm, I bet no one EVER “improved” their C.V. on Facebook before… why I bet if Ted Bundy had been given a chance at a Facebook page he probably wouldn’t have listed rapist and killer on there, but hey, who knows right, maybe a little honesty would have kicked in. You do realize, while smug in your infinite wisdom and superior attitude, that prior military service, engineering degrees and all the rest of the “verifications” you’ve presented are in no way, shape or form an indication that these people should be PARENTS, right? The kids were taken for a reason, due process DID in fact happen, and the court system took away the parental rights of these two and awarded permanent custody TUESDAY to the Grandparents, and the boys were KIDNAPPED from their custodial home by their egg/sperm donors on WEDNESDAY of the same week. People don’t get their kids taken away unless there is a damn good reason. Face it, most of the time the courts bend over backwards to keep kids with their parents. At times to the detriment and/or demise of the child. It takes a hell of a lot to get children permanently removed from one or both of their biological parents. It doesn’t happen overnight, nor does it happen in a vacuum… So, while you think you have this all figured out, clearly you don’t. I mean Hell, CUBA gave these two fucktards back ASAP, funny consideriing that Cuba could have taken this opportunity to smear America’s face in the dirt over the Elian Gonzales issue from 1999-2000. I mean honestly Genius, take a look at the BIG picture here, CUBA gave them back so that the United States could PROSECUTE them for crimes that they are legitimately charged with when they could have had a major hey day with this, doesn’t that TELL you anything? Do you mean to tell me that you think Raul Castro just took the word of the American government without doing a little fact checking himself? You need to get a life child and stop trolling just for the sake of trolling. It’s quite tiresome of you… So now run along, but be sure to put your helmet on, we don’t want you damaging that brain of yours anymore than it already has been.

          4. Yeah… um… I said right off the bat that there’s no need to trust Facebook, because I posted direct links to their licenses on the Department of Business and Professional Registration website.

            Too blinded by your own stupidity to even read what you’re responding to, I guess.

            “People don’t get their kids taken away unless there is a damn good reason.”

            HAW! Perhaps in many, even most cases that’s true, but not all. You keep on believing that the state is infallible. I think Lisa’s sister from the above response would beg to differ.

          5. No – not blinded by anything, except possibly the laughter I get from reading your lameass responses… You put the facebook shit up, not me. I’m not required to ignore it just because you said to, you put it out there, knowing it was basically retarded to do so, so you put in a disclaimer hoping you wouldn’t get called out on it. Too bad, didn’t work. You got called out on it.

            While Lisa has a good story, and a very valid point. But she also said “Long story short, FL charges any parent with child neglect if they are found in possession of a controlled substance. The system is not always fair, but these parents should have tried to work within it rather than put their children in a dangerous, man-hunt situation.” didn’t she? And honestly, while her sister’s story is too common and was borderline retarded in how easy to solve it really COULD and SHOULD have been, the system did what it was supposed to do. Albuterol is listed as a controlled substance. It doesn’t matter if you or I find the substance innocuous, the state has it listed as a controlled substance. The same thing would have happened if her friend had given her some Vicodin or Codeine to control her bronchial coughing. The state did the right thing in her case too, no matter how insignificant or ridiculous we BOTH might find those particular charges to be.

            Let me ask you one question that requires a simple “yes” or “no” for an answer. (That means don’t throw any of your asinine “what ifs” into the mix just on the off chance you needed it spelled out for you in little kid terms. Shit, I don’t have to dumb it down for the 10 year old as much as I do for you) Is it not better for the governmental agencies involved, if they are going to error, to error on the side of safety for the children involved?

          6. “You put the facebook shit up, not me. I’m not required to ignore it just because you said to, you put it out there, knowing it was basically retarded to do so, so you put in a disclaimer hoping you wouldn’t get called out on it. Too bad, didn’t work. You got called out on it.”

            Okay… read this slowly, so it sinks in… You. Are Fucking. Retarded.

            1) The UK Daily Mail “put the facebook shit up.”

            2) In the exact same post I specifically said “what kind of idiot would believe the Facebook page of a “loser fuckwit?”… and provided direct links to their licenses.

            So whatever you think you “called me out on,” exists only in the vacuum between your ears.

            “Is it not better for the governmental agencies involved, if they are going to error, to error on the side of safety for the children involved?”

            I know it’s easier for you when complex issues are reduced to mindless binary pablum, but that’s not the way the world works. And when it’s rooted in a minor pot arrest, in no way do I see confiscation of the children being done for their “safety.”

            Thank goodness the kids were placed with their grandparents, because when the state “errors on the side of safety,” it can quite easily put the kids at greater risk.

            The below link has references to a number of articles and academic studies that illustrate the hazards of the foster system, such as:

            -cases of sexual abuse in foster care more than four times higher than the rate in the general population [Baltimore]

            -In group homes there was more than ten times
            the rate of physical abuse and more than 28 times the rate of sexual abuse as in the general population [Indiana study]

            -nearly one third reported being abused by a foster parent or another adult in a foster home [Oregon/Washington]

            -50 instances of child-on-child sexual abuse in 18 months involving more than 100 Broward County foster children. [Florida]

            http://www.nccpr.org/reports/01SAFETY.pdf

            There’s your “safety” for you, not to mention the increased chance that they’ll be put on a c*cktail of mind-numbing antipsychotics. Your mindless fealty to the state is saddening and disturbing.

          7. OK – you win. That’s what you want to hear, so here it is in print now.

            You can’t debate. You can’t answer with a simple yes or no when asked to. You can’t do anything more than stomp your foot and insist that you are correct and the rest of the entire free thinking world is off of their rocker. Sort of the same thing toddlers do when they can’t find their words. Sure throw up your stats on the foster care system. Is that where THESE boys were? With random strangers? No, but your dumb ass can’t grasp that little fact can it? Instead you have Granny complicit in the KIDNAPPING. You must be having a grand time in your world. In the real world you are a tiresome, mutant troll.

            Time for you to pack it in and go away little boy… But you will just stay here and insult and malign until you think you’ve converted all to your side of the fence. Not that you care one tiny little shit about anything other than your insistence that everyone but you is wrong. I have absolutely no fealty to the “state” as you want to claim. What I have that you don’t is an insiders knowledge of how this shit works. There is no use trying to get someone like you, with a neonate’s grasp of things, to grow up and realize that when you break the law shit gets real. FAST. If you don’t approve of the way things were handled, get off of the blogs and get active, make some change happen instead of whinging about how clever you are and how insipid everyone else is. Wait, sorry, that would require a little effort on your part that goes beyond using Google. By the way, if you want me to buy some piece of shit news article, don’t quote KPTV to me. That leftist, pablum puking, bed wetting “news” site isn’t EVER going to sway me… Call me a soviet and anything else you want to. You don’t know me, my political affiliation or well, seriously, anything for that matter, your petty words and useless, baseless bullshit doesn’t affect me in the least…

          8. Ahahaha… whatever, ya commie goblin. You wouldn’t know a real debate if it kicked you in your sorry commie ass.

            Twits like yourself obviously won’t be swayed, but my comments have provided more real information than any of your bile, or the crap in the original post, and now if someone comes across this page in the future, they can see for themselves that the original post is a brainless screed (as Cheryl said, “this article just sucked the government c*ck”), and that it is nowhere even close to the whole story. They can also see who can express their position in a cogent and reasonable manner, and who goes off on all-caps rants about how well they know French.

            (Oh, and now you’ve got some beef with KPTV… I guess that raid never happened then. Whew. Enjoy your delusion.)

          9. OK – whatever! You win…. infant!

          10. Sorry, I guess we can’t all express ourselves as adults and use big grown-up words like “asshat” and “fucktard.”

          11. But Goblin, Soviet and the other insults you fob off are okay? You keep peddlin’ that crap…

          12. Once I’ve been maligned and had a number of insults directed at me due *only* to my differing opinion, then yeah. Damn right they are, ya swine.

          13. Oh, non, non, non mon ami, you started it with this sweet nothing “Fuckin’ moron brown-noser” so go cry about how maligned you’ve been somewhere else. It had NOTHING to do with your differing opinion, and EVERYTHING to do with your bitchy attitude… Fuck, you’re worse than a girl with this shit!

          14. Let’s try a little exercise… go to the post where I first called you a brown-noser. Okay, now look at your comment to which I was responding. Following so far? I hope so. Now, your comment, to which I was responding, was in directed at me in response to another of my comments. Okay… so now why don’t you tell me what the last word of YOUR comment was, the word right after “charged.”

            Suck it, cow.

          15. Must you be so rude? That underminds your opinion. But you’re right and this site is wrong. You know it all. Whatever cretin.

          16. Some of you folks certainly are so ridiculous it’s almost adorable. Must *I* be so rude? That’s priceless, really it is. I know, I know… I’m just a raging volcano of barbaric insolence surrounded by this ocean of tranquil civility.

            I don’t know that “this site” is wrong, but some of the commenters and contributors certainly are, at least in this instance.

          17. Well, don’t read it then. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

          18. In your opinion.

          19. Duh?

          20. Piss of TROLL! Don’t act like an idiot and you won’t be called out for being one… I can’t help the fact that I’m honest can I?

            Go play with the other housebound, socially inept, emotionally retarded folks that hide in basements and do nothing but critique the rest of the world. Jesus, at least I have a life. You, not so much…

          21. Haw! You’re not honest, you’re a damn liar. You said “[the marijuana] charges were actually proven against the Hakkens,” and regardless of one’s opinion of marijuana or its use, to claim that the charges were “proven” is a damn lie.

          22. I guess I need to use the little kid words with you then… He was found in possession of marijuana, (the cops had their eyeballs on the pot in question, in the room, with the little ones, that is what I meant by proven, I just used a bad turn of phrase I guess, but if a cop finds the shit in your possession, that’s proof enough to make my point clearly, and you KNOW this information if you’ve been so diligent, don’t you?) which caused the removal of his children. Since the four family member were occupying one hotel room he was also charged with ” Use of a Controlled and Dangerous Substance in the Presence of Minors” These two things are why his kids were removed and placed in foster care. He and his wife did that, no one else. Then, instead of working with the system to get their kids back the NORMAL way, they show up at the foster care facility waiving a gun and demanding the kids back. Then, long story short, the grandparents worked hard and got permanent custody of the boys. So Mom & Dad further compound their troubles by KIDNAPPING the boys and fleeing to CUBA. You have NO leg to stand on and yet here you keep trying, like some wounded heron… it’s bizarre!

          23. Holy crap… I can only hope that the only “work” you ever did for attorneys was getting coffee or cleaning their toilets, because your concepts of due process are out of whack beyond belief. But maybe it’s just because you believe your own bullshit.

            “the cops had their eyeballs on the pot in question, in the room, with the little ones”

            So you have the police report? Because if you don’t, you’re just making shit up. Again. For all you know the kids were inside watching TV with mom and he was outside by the truck having a puff.

            “that is what I meant by proven”

            Then you’re an idiot with no concept of due process. A charge is just that, a charge. An accusation. Due process involves confirming the veracity of the charge. It’s bizarre that you can’t grasp such a simple concept.

            “instead of working with the system to get their kids back the NORMAL way,”

            Oh, so you have the police report *and* their case file in front of you? Because if you don’t, you don’t have a fucking clue what they did or didn’t do “the normal way.” You’re just making shit up and presenting it as fact.

            “they show up at the foster care facility waiving a gun and demanding the kids back”

            Can you provide the source for that? I’ve seen reports ranging from him being “armed” (which, newsflash, isn’t necessarily illegal), to “waving a gun,” and the closest thing to a source that any of them give is “sheriff’s officials said.” So where’s the police report? Where’s the charge for brandishing a weapon? Where’s a quote from a witness at the foster facility? The reports can’t even get an actual *quote* from these “sheriff’s officials,” which is why some reports say he was just “armed” and some say “waving a gun.” Sorry, but “officials said” (without even a real quote) doesn’t pass the test to accept something as fact when absolutely nothing’s presented to back it up. Like I said, apparently he wasn’t *charged* with brandishing a weapon, or they likely would have said that. And if it were true that he was brandishing a weapon, why would he *not* be charged?

            See, these are the kinds of things to consider when engaging in what’s known as “critical thinking.” Try it sometime.

            “Then, long story short, the grandparents worked hard and got permanent custody of the boys.”

            Be sure to pass on that case file when you’re done with it. Just as likely, if not moreso, that the grandparents wanted custody to keep the kids out of the foster care system, not to keep them away from their parents.

          24. Dude, say what you want – you twist shit up to attempt to make your point and now, you’ve bored me. When you said this “Sorry, but “officials said” (without even a real quote) doesn’t pass the test to accept something as fact when absolutely nothing’s presented to back it up” just now, after trying so hard to hammer me yesterday with what Det. Suezeneau said about the rally, you’re done. You double speak. You insult yet whine about having been so insulted. It makes no sense. He didn’t have to be charged with brandishing the weapon to have it be a factor in removing the kids, I know you don’t understand. That’s because you don’t want to. You want to pretend to be some Ivy League Intelligencia Big Brain, but you aren’t. You are just a troll that wants to fight. I don’t enjoy deliberately being an asshole the way you do. Maybe my fingers get ahead of me and I don’t say something the exact way you need to hear it to understand it. So what? I don’t answer to you, and quite frankly don’t care enough about you and your fucked up thinking that sides in defense of asshole, egotistical, child endangering parents instead of in protection of the child/children. So this is the last thing I’m posting to you. Go ahead and crow that you’ve won, you haven’t, but I know enough about you that your damaged ego will have to bolster you up by telling yourself that you did. So take this minor victory and go pound sand please. It’s really all you, your ego and your little bitch demeanor are worth…

          25. “When you said this “Sorry, but “officials said” (without even a real quote) doesn’t pass the test to accept something as fact when absolutely nothing’s presented to back it up” just now, after trying so hard to hammer me yesterday with what Det. Suezeneau said about the rally, you’re done. You double speak”

            Goodness you is dumb. You don’t even comprehend the difference between a specific quote attributed to a specific individual, and a vague statement attributed to anonymous “officials.”

            “You insult yet whine about having been so insulted.”

            Haw! Where did I “whine” about being insulted? I just pointed out that I didn’t *become* insulting until insults were directed *at* me. I don’t give a shit if you insult me. In fact, it frees me up to use more colorful language myself, since I have a policy to never “strike first” with the name calling. You’re the one whining with your “wah wah, I tried to be nice today.”

            “He didn’t have to be charged with brandishing the weapon to have it be afactor in removing the kids, I know you don’t understand. That’s because you don’t want to.”

            What you don’t understand is that the only support for a claim that he was brandishing a weapon is a vague comment by an anonymous “official,” with absolutely NOTHING to back it up. But it certainly gets some twits wound up about how “dangerous” he supposedly is, so who gives a fuck if it’s true. I know you don’t understand, not because you don’t want to, but because you’re a biased little wanna-be Soviet lackey.

            “I don’t enjoy deliberately being an asshole the way you do.”

            Only to presumptuous, self-righteous, ignorant, boot-licking morons that would really like everyone to think that they know shit from Shinola, when in fact, they do not.

            “You want to pretend to be some Ivy League Intelligencia Big Brain, but you aren’t.”

            …said the one that babbles about her supposed IQ and 14 years of French and working for attorneys and blah blah blah blah.

            “but I know enough about you…”

            Mm hmm. Your psychic powers are astounding to behold, I’m sure.

          26. My mistake, it was Aussie that was flat out lying about the charges being proven. You’re the one that just makes up bullshit about the “aggression-charged atmosphere” at the “anti-government rally” or some such nonesense.

          27. I made neither one up – I read about it (the rally) as you did. And again I ask, have you been to an Anti-Government rally? I have (sociology experiement in college) and they ARE indeed an “aggression-charged atmosphere” despite you mocking me for saying it. I’ve yet to hear of one that was done in a whisper while everyone stood around holding hands with hearts and rainbows shooting out of their asses, but maybe someday that will happen…

          28. >> I read about it (the rally) as you did

            Yeah, and I also read about the actual department that made the arrest saying that they didn’t know anything about it. Yet you still cling to it as fact.

            >>And again I ask, have you been to an Anti-Government rally?

            I don’t know… define “anti-government rally.” Strictly speaking, an “anti-government rally” would be an anarchist rally. Hakken’s own internet posts align him closer to Constitutionalism than Anarchist. And no, I’ve never been to an anarchist rally.

            Is a Tea Party rally an “anti-government rally?”

            Is a rotary club that protests against war an “anti-government rally?”

            “I have (sociology experiement in college) and they ARE indeed an “aggression-charged atmosphere” despite you mocking me for saying it.”

            Oh my lord. So you went to *one* “rally,” about 20 years ago, and therefore claim that you know all about all “rallies” that are defined by *the government* as anti-government. Again behaving like such a good little Soviet.

    2. Mom and Dad are in jail in Tampa this morning.

    3. You mean the parents didn’t shoot them up with PCP or eat them during the boat trip? Shocking!

      1. But they did show a propensity for violence, tying up sweet old Granny to get at the boys. Also removing the boys from the only stable and loving home they ever knew. Threatening the foster home they were in with a gun and frightening the other kids. Perhaps Granny can sue them for the money to pay for therapy to repair the trauma that these lefty freaks caused.

        1. Who says it is the only stable and loving home they knew. Statements taken from neighbors and coworkers said that they were very devoted and loving parents.

          1. Ahahaha… oh lord….

            Exactly what in cassie’s post justified downvoting? But couldn’t muster an actual written response?

            Sorry cassie, some of these people are just pathetic.

          2. I wasn’t a downvoter, but I’d venture to say that since there isn’t anything quoted, the downvotes are based on the fact that there isn’t anything here that backs the claim up. Jesus, yo’re such a stickler for requiring “proof” from everyone with sources and all that I’m surprised your genius didn’t catch that. Oh – I get it, it’s because she loosely appears to follow your train of thought (or lack thereof…) so that makes it OK to come on here and make claims with nothing to back them up. Hypocrite much NLOR???

  9. They were charged with drug possession in Louisiana. So the charge of neglect wasn’t automatically tacked on because of drugs, unlike what the ‘tard defenders were saying. These people suck.

    1. Um… duh? It was tacked on with the “kidnapping.”

      You come up with anything about a drug *conviction* in Louisiana? Let me know when you do.

      1. Why don’t you provide proof that there isn’t a pending charge for neglect/drugs in LA? Did Aussie say *conviction* or was the word *charged*? Idiotard…

        1. Okey dokey… let’s go around the table… do YOU know the difference between a charge and a conviction? Are you familiar with an archaic and little known phrase that goes “innocent until proven guilty?”

          Fuckin’ moron brown-noser.

          1. Seems like you’re the brown noser. You don’t even know these freaks, they abducted children that were no longer theirs and took them away from the only home they ever knew. All because they thought the government was wrong. They put their own wants above their children’s need for stability and safety. How you can defend these idiots actions is beyond me. You clearly have nothing better to do than to troll here just for the fun of it. It’s true, small things amuse small minds.

          2. Well Mental Midget, let’s see, since I was the one that pointed out that the word used by Aussie
            Sabbath was “charged” while you used “conviction” instead. Clearly you can’t follow your own train of thought, let alone follow along with anyone else. Go troll some place else, you clearly aren’t smart enough to keep up here… By the by, I worked in the law field for several years, so yes, I do indeed know the difference between charged and convicted. I worked with attorneys to get POS’s like these parents CONVICTED on the CHARGES of child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and the like… So what’s your next ridiculously inane comment going to be now Asshat?

          3. Yes, she used the word “charged” and basically said that a “charge” (aka: an unproven accusation) is a legitimate basis for destroying their family. And that’s bullshit.

            So you know the difference between a charge and a conviction, you just think that children should be stolen from their parents without the parents actually being convicted of any wrongdoing. Awesome.

            I can’t keep up? Bitch, you’re being lapped.

          4. Whew! Damn, it hurts to laugh that hard sometimes… lapped? By the likes of you and your bs rhetoric about the big bad evil gov’ment???

            Bwaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

            I’ve read what Aussie wrote a few times now, she never once equated “charged” and “convicted” in fact you are the only one that has made that leap. You seem like the kind of jackass that thinks that Jonestown was OK, or Waco, Ruby Ridge, whatever… as long as people are doing what THEY want to do, hey, fuck the LAW right? It’s simple, Stupid, believe what you want, live as you want, if you involve your kids in fringe, risky, unstable shit, well, be prepared to lose them. It’s not a new idea here. You keep equating pot to Jack Daniels/alcohol. First of all, I smoke, for medical reasons, and I happen to be a big fan of Jack Daniels too, but they are different. One is legal and one is not. I don’t keep my bud anywhere that a kid can stumble across it (even though it’s legal for me, but then I don’t keep Vicodin or Flexeril or Xanax where a kid can get to them either) nor do I drink to excess, especially with ANY child around. That’s the way it’s SUPPOSED to be. These irresponsible jagoffs took their kids to anti-government rallies, allowed them around illegal substances and frequently talked about Armageddon around a 2 and 4 year old. Because that’s a concept little ones like that can process easily right? Kids are removed from their parents every damn day for risky behaviors, abuse, neglect or because they have “allegedly” participated in behaviors that could endanger the child. If a kid shows up at an ER with positive indications of having been molested or raped, guess what Rhodes Scholar, THE CHILD IS REMOVED FOR IT’S OWN SAFETY AND PROTECTION. Same thing happened here. They don’t let parents keep a kid when that parent has been charged with the rape of that child until they see which way the court case is going to go. Get over yourself. Clearly there was enough evidence that the courts STRIPPED them of their parental rights and awarded PERMANENT custody to the maternal Grandparents. Do you think that happens overnight? The kids were removed quite a while ago, the system did what it is SUPPOSED to do, investigated, offered solutions that were rejected by these two because they are SO much smarter than the rest of the world and they were therefore stipped of their rights. THEY CHOSE IT and then they CHOSE to not only terrorize Granny by breaking in, tying her up and leaving her there helpless while they abducted

          5. “These irresponsible jagoffs took their kids to anti-government rallies”

            UPDATE: Det. Daniel Seuzeneau, who it turns out is the public information officer for the Slidell Police Department, and not the officer who arrested Joshua Hakken, emails:
            “Mr. Hakken, as far as we know, was not at an anti-government rally. I never made that statement and don’t know where that came from.”
            http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/04/anti-government-couple-who-abducted-thei

            Lapped again, you hypocritical buffoon.

          6. Ppppfffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttttt!

            Nope – all you have shown is that Det. Daniel Seuzeneau (can you pronounce that? I can. Hmm, smart enough to take 14 years of French, must be smart enough to tie her shoes too!) didn’t say it. So, what? Golf clapping for you here… Because one detective says he didn’t say it and doesn’t know where it came from that means it DIDN’T happen??? God, you are SO pathetic. You fail to realize that just because you desperately want them to “victims” of the governments of not only LA, and FL, but of the entire US too, doesn’t automatically mean that they are. They made their bed, guess what, now they get to sleep in it… all by themselves too. Well that is unless Bubba visits Josh or Bertha visits Sharyn for a little prison house lovin’… Move along now Dipshit, I’m sure that you’re WAY past time for your meds and the grown ups want to speak freely now. It’s boring having to dumb it down for the likes of you.

          7. Hilarious… so now the Public Information Officer for the police department that *actually made the arrest* says “as far as we know, was not at an anti-government rally,” and you basically say “So what? Maybe it did happen!” (of course, who cares if it did? What qualifies as “anti-government?” Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?) Yeah, and the detective also didn’t say that Hakken was fattening up his kids to feed them to a sasquach, but you know what, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen!

            And really? “Ooh… I took French! I can pronounce a name!” (and yeah, um, I can pronounce it… In fact, I spent two months straight working outside of Paris a few years back, and I certainly didn’t need 14 years of French to get by. 14 years? You know Rosetta Stone can set you up pretty well in about six months, but whatever)

            So that’s relevant to what exactly? You want a cookie or something?

          8. Wow – you are indeed stupid beyond measure. There is literally no point in attempting to converse with you. But I’m a nice person, so I’ll pretend you are going to catch on sometime soon. Was Rosetta Stone available in 1973? Because that’s when I started learning French. Yes, I was 3 and keep on absorbing the language until I was 17 and graduated high school, taking upper college level classes. For two years my instructor was a native Frenchwoman that mastered (well, the equivelent thereof) in French at the Sorbonne. And it was only a way for me to gage your intelligence a bit. You proved me right, your an eejit.

            Newsflash here – the PIO of the Slidell, LA PD is NOT omniscient. He can speak for himself and his PD only. How do you know that it wasn’t a law enforcement officer from another jurisdiction that made the allegation? Det. Seuzeneau’s comment only says that HE didn’t make the statement and that he doesn’t know who did. That does NOT negate the comment having come from SOMEONE else in “law enforcement.”

            Clearly the hilarity is with you and your refusal to look at the big picture involved. You nitpick little points and then congratulate yourself on being “clever”, but you aren’t. This one is simple beyond belief and yet you fail to grasp that. They could have chosen to work with the judicial system to get their boys back, they thought they were smarter than that. They weren’t. END OF STORY, no matter how hard YOU try to make the ending different.

            And what does the First Ammendment have to do with this? I didn’t say they couldn’t go to an Anit-Government rally did I? I said they decided that taking their kids to a risky,supercharged-with-aggression atmosphere was a good idea. Law enforcement thought differently. Law enforcement won. They lost because their pride and ego got in the way of the choice to settle down a bit and be MOMMY AND DADDY to their sons. They and their wants don’t come first the moment they become parents. THEY FORGOT THAT PART.

          9. Um… am I supposed to actually give a flying rat fuck about how long it took your dumb ass to learn French? If you started at three it should have been even easier. My dad took four years in college and he’s fluent.

            “How do you know that it wasn’t a law enforcement officer from another jurisdiction that made the allegation?”

            Erm… why would an officer from another jurisdiction outside of the one that was actually *on scene making the arrest* make any such statement? This is pathetic… you’ve got no source for the claim, you’ve got the arresting department saying it’s not true, and you’re still foisting it as fact.

            “They could have chosen to work with the judicial system to get their boys back”

            You have absolutely no idea what they did or didn’t do to “work with the judicial system” over that year.”

            “I didn’t say they couldn’t go to an Anit-Government rally did I?”

            Um… you listed it among incidents that you claimed justified the theft of their children, so yeah, by implication, you’re saying that if they want to keep their kids, they can’t go to an “anti-government rally.”

            “I said they decided that taking their kids to a risky,supercharged-with-aggression atmosphere”

            You said no such thing. Amusingly, this “anti-government rally” (that has been denied by the arresting department) has now apparently blossomed into a “risky, supercharged-with-aggression atmosphere.”

            Go on, keep pulling this stuff out of your ass, because you’re obviously way too full of shit.

          10. And I don’t see how *you* taking French for 14 years is any gauge of *my* intelligence. As I said, my French pronunciation/accent is pretty darn good for someone who didn’t study the language (I can say “sorry, I don’t speak French” so well that people in France thought I was joking).

            But hey, I bet there are Japanese nuclear physicists that can’t pronounce “Seuzenea.” So you’re obviously smarter than they are, right? Right. Sure you are.

          11. You aren’t required to see how or why I guaged it as an indication of your less than stellar intelligence now are you? It was my test, for my own purposes. And no, you didn’t ever say that your pronunciateion/accent were pretty darn good. You said that your Papa had taken french for four years in college…

          12. Okay, well, uh… I’ve got a test for you… which is more, an elephant or a tetrahedron?

            And yeah… actually… I did. “um, I can pronounce it… In fact, I spent two months straight working outside of Paris a few years back, and I certainly didn’t need 14 years of French to get by”

            But hey… what does it matter what I said? Any idiotic assumption you can come up with apparently becomes transmogrified into fact by virtue of it being spawned of your decrepit gray matter.

          13. Which is no indication that your pronunciation or accent are par, subpar or above par, just that you can “get by” which actually means next to nothing. Decrepit grey matter… good one. I have an IQ that has tested, at the lowest of five times, at 167. You think you’ve beaten me with the vast help of your trusty thesaurus but you haven’t. You and your opinion are base and uninformed at best. You don’t have it in you to actually take me on and win. But keep trying… however, if you’re going to call me out when your widdle feewings gets all butt-hurts over my insults, attempt to not make a such hypocrite of yourself by then turning around and doing the same thing. Lastly, remember, YOU are the one that decided Granny was in on it. That shit didn’t come from MY grey matter, that one is all you baby, all you…

            PS: Thanks for just pounding that final nail into the coffin containing what was left of your intelligence….

          14. Guffaw! Yeah, and I’ve got a dozen IQ tests that say mine’s 253. Unfortunately, your critical thinking skills, writing skills, debate skills, and general lack of cohesive thought don’t mesh with your claimed IQ. And I’m not using a thesaurus… sorry if your super-high IQ needs a dictionary to keep up. Double-guffaw if you think you have any capability to hurt my feelings. I’m sure a genius like yourself noticed that I didn’t use any derogatory names until I was bombarded by them from other respondents, and I see little reason to be civil if the same courtesy is not being extended to me.

            And with such a remarkable quotient, one would think that you would know the difference between “deciding” on something, vs examining knowns and unknowns and considering the realm of possibilities based on available facts. But I guess that assumption would be incorrect. You’re the one that acts like you KNOW everything about the case, not me.

            Now go back to smoking your drugs with little kids sleeping in the next room, ya commie.

          15. Don’t care what you have, or what you think of me and my ability to reason… I can back my shit up with proof. Can you Mr. 253??? And YOU started in on ME with your comment that I read first thing this morning of “Fuckin’ moron brown-noser” so I don’t care when it is you think you got ugly, you got ugly first and for no reason. Check your own shit before you attempt to call me on mine. Clear? Was the fact that I used the word thesaurus a threat to your self-assumed intelligence little one? You had to turn around and throw “dictionary” at me? Read that when I was seven, haven’t had to refer to one much since then…. Keep ’em coming, I don’t care. You got shitty first, you got ugly first and you got bitchy first. You can’t take it much but your whiney ass can sure attempt to dish it out. Go ahead and convince yourself that I’m beyond reason… then explain again how it was that Granny was in collusion with the KIDNAPPERS. Fool…

          16. “And YOU started in on ME with your comment that I read first thing this
            morning of “Fuckin’ moron brown-noser” so I don’t care when it is you
            think you got ugly, you got ugly first and for no reason.”

            Ahahaha…. oh my. Well then, I guess you’ll have to accept my apology. I guess I just didn’t realize that “Idiotard” (with which you referred to me *prior* to my brown-noser comment) was a compliment.

            I guess that super-smart brain of yours is just too full of French and whatnot to maintain room for a simple understanding of “before” and “after.”

            “explain again how it was that Granny was in collusion with the KIDNAPPERS”

            You mean that “Granny” was in collusion with *her own daughter?* I know it must boggle your mind to even *consider* the *possibility* that a grandmother might feel that her grandchildren should be in the custody of their own mother, eg *her own daughter.* But you already said you don’t have any kids, so comprehension of such a familial bond may simply be beyond your capability.

          17. Here’s an idea – don’t quote people incorrectly and I won’t call you an Idiotard. Despite your inablitity to reason, I didn’t think this one would be complicated for you. Guess I was incorrect. You should take your poor abused, maligned and insulted self off of here. Self preservation and all.

            Sure, it’s possible that the Granny was in collusion with her daughter. Except that your idea is absurd. Why would she have taken the time to secure custody of the boys, and fought the legal fight of obtaining permanent custody only to fuck it up THE VERY NEXT DAY??? You make no sense, yet you accuse ME of assuming facts not in evidence. You make me think that you have a lot of information that you haven’t released to anyone about this situation. I might have to contact authorities and give them a chance to have a little chit chat with you…

          18. Apparently your whoop-dee-doo IQ doesn’t translate over to reading comprehension either. Nowhere did I quote her as saying “conviction.” I asked her if she knew the difference, because it’s bullshit to steal someone’s children based on an unproven marijuana charge. This isn’t like the kids had a bunch of bruises and they were taken while they charged the parents. They didn’t just lose custody, their parental rights were terminated before the initiating *charge* was even resolved! Seems that some here have a very warped sense of judicial principles.

            And now you’ve once again been proven to be full of shit, proven that you’re the one that initiated the name-calling, and all you can do is make lame-ass excuses? What a hypocritical tw*t. And you actually try to nail me for misquoting (that didn’t happen), while you go around making shit up out of thin air.

            “Why would she have taken the time to secure custody of the boys, and fought the legal fight of obtaining permanent custody”

            Hm, that would be an interesting point, if you weren’t just pulling it out of your ass and stating it as fact.

            How do you know she fought for custody against the parents? It’s just as likely, in fact *more* likely, that the state gave the option of a foster home or the grandparents’ home, and they made the logical decision.

            “You make me think that you have a lot of information that you haven’t released to anyone about this situation.”

            Um… that’s because you’re an idiot. It’s just called “independent thought” and “critical thinking,” and I’ve been “releasing” it all over this blog. Sorry if your head’s too far up your ass to pick it up.

            “I might have to contact authorities and give them a chance to have a little chit chat with you…”

            …just as an obedient Soviet should.

          19. OK – I’ve tried to be a bit nicer to you today and yet you keep being a FUCKING DICKWAD. You cry about anyone calling you names, yet you can’t seem to stop doing the same thing can you? You don’t seem to be able to add much up, for all of your immense “critical thinking” skills, do you? The kids were taken because of the possession CHARGES, it’s the fact that they came waving a gun to the foster care facility two weeks later that ensured the permanent removal of their kids. It was no longer about the fucking pot charges at that point. Don’t you get that? Once Crazy Daddy went all batshit with a gun at a foster care facility all the other bets were off when it came to the protection of the kids. He put not only his kids in jeopardy, he put a bunch of other babies there too, and that shit is beyond wrong. Dad is unstable, he’s fringe and he endangers his kids without a thought about it because he’s got such a giant ego he can’t stand having ANYONE question him and his actions.

            How am I pulling that out of my ass? At the very least there would have been attorney’s fees for legal representation of the grandparents. Jesus, because I didn’t say it to you yesterday, no matter how many times I thought it, I’m pulling it out of my ass? You have issues mon frere. You list all of the things you think you’ve “got” against me and yet your list is immaterial, it’s your opinion, and yours alone. I’d venture to say that since you’ve gotten lots of downvotes over our little debate (none of them from me by the way, I don’t play that way) and I only have a couple, that people are agreeing more with me than with you. (Although I suspect that now you’ll go along and make sure to downvote everything I’ve said like a snarky little child.) Maybe it’s just because you’ve been such an arrogant prick? I don’t know, that could be it…

            You aren’t anywhere near independant thought or critical thinking – you spout the party line of all the folks that live in your world and share your views. That doesn’t make you intelligent, it makes you a lemming…

          20. “I’ve tried to be a bit nicer to you today and yet you keep being a
            FUCKING DICKWAD. You cry about anyone calling you names, yet you can’t
            seem to stop doing the same thing can you?”

            Ahahahahahha… that’s hilarious. Oh, you’ve tried being nicer? I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that I pointed out that it was in fact you that decided to “initiate hostilities” in the first place, despite your protests to the contrary.

            “it’s the fact that they came waving a gun…”

            Blah blah fuckin’ blah. Just keep on making shit up and pretending it has any relation to reality just by virtue of it falling out of your head.

            “How am I pulling that out of my ass?”

            Um… I don’t know… maybe you grab it with your teeth?

            It doesn’t matter *when* you say it, it’s the fact that you’re extrapolating unsupported conclusions from inadequate information and presenting it as fact. “He’s got such a giant ego he can’t stand having ANYONE question him and his actions.” So you know him? You’re a close personal friend? A relative? You know his neighbors? You’re his psychologist? You’ve read his psych eval? Because if not, then you’re just pulling that noise *straight out of your ass.*

            “I’d venture to say that since you’ve gotten lots of downvotes over our little debate (none of them from me by the way, I don’t play that way)”

            Um… looks to me like I get about 1-up/1-down on most of them. Two up on a couple. And it’s not like there aren’t clearly other braindead idiots that agree with you (like I dunno, the author of the post?).

            “and I only have a couple, that people are agreeing more with me than with you.”

            Um… if a bunch of your posts have one upvote, it’s just as likely that the same person upvoted them, and it doesn’t necessarily translate into more “people.” But it’s really not that important. Popularity doesn’t equal “right,” especially in this obviously biased microcosm of a blog.

            “Although I suspect that now you’ll go along and make sure to downvote everything I’ve said like a snarky little child.”

            I’m not a registered user. I can’t downvote, dumbass.

            “Maybe it’s just because you’ve been such an arrogant prick?”

            Sure, I’m the arrogant prick, right “Idiotard?” Go back to prattling on about your IQ tests and your French and all the other irrelevant shit that you feel the need to bring up.

            “You aren’t anywhere near independant thought or critical thinking – you spout the party line of all the folks that live in your world and share your views. That doesn’t make you intelligent, it makes you a lemming…”

            No, you’re right… if I just swallowed everything that the media/government fed to me without ever questioning it, then that would make me an independent thinker. Gotcha.

          21. See – I called it – you are SUCH a child that you just HAD to have the last word! I realize that I did in fact lie when I said that it was my last post to you, (but THIS will be) because I KNEW to the core of me that you would be compelled to respond, like the whingey little bitch that you are, and then I’d get the chance to point out just how predictable this little temper tantrum of yours has been… Son, you’ve been played since round one… thanks for playing my game. Have a great life! 🙂

          22. If by “have the last word” you mean, “not leave asinine claims unchallenged,” then I guess you’re right. Don’t put question marks at the end of your sentences if you don’t want responses.

            “Have a great life! :-)”

            Got a good job that lets me support my family, beautiful wife that can stay home to raise my two totally awesome kids… I’ve got a great life. But thanks for the well-wishes just the same.

          23. Um… am I supposed to actually give a flying rat fuck about how long it took your dumb ass to learn French? If you started at three it should have been even easier. My dad took four years in college and he’s fluent. WHERE DID I INDICATE THAT I WASN’T FLUENT ASSWIPE? IT WOULD TAKE ANYONE DECADES TO LEARN ALL OF THE INTRICACIES OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE.

            “How do you know that it wasn’t a law enforcement officer from another jurisdiction that made the allegation?”

            Erm… why would an officer from another jurisdiction outside of the one that was actually *on scene making the arrest* make any such statement? This is pathetic… you’ve got no source for the claim, you’ve got the arresting department saying it’s not true, and you’re still foisting it as fact. SO NO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY EVER HAD CONTACT WITH THE FAMILY PRIOR TO THE INITIAL DRUG CHARGE? A REPORTER COULDN’T HAVE POSSIBLY MISQUOTE A SOURCE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT?

            “They could have chosen to work with the judicial system to get their boys back”

            You have absolutely no idea what they did or didn’t do to “work with the judicial system” over that year.” BUT I GUESS YOU DO? AGAIN, ENLIGHTEN US WITH YOUR SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE

            “I didn’t say they couldn’t go to an Anit-Government rally did I?”

            Um… you listed it among incidents that you claimed justified the theft of their children, so yeah, by implication, you’re saying that if they want to keep their kids, they can’t go to an “anti-government rally.” YUP- THE ADULTS CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES. THE KIDS DON’T HAVE A CHOICE IN MUCH AT THOSE AGES NOW DO THEY?

            “I said they decided that taking their kids to a risky,supercharged-with-aggression atmosphere”

            You said no such thing. Amusingly, this “anti-government rally” (that has been denied by the arresting department) has now apparently blossomed into a “risky, supercharged-with-aggression atmosphere.” YOU’RE RIGHT, I ADDED THE RISKY, SUPERCHARGED PART. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO AN ANTI-GOVERNMENT RALLY BEFORE? THEY AREN’T EXACTLY CHURCH SOCIALS NOW ARE THEY? THEY SELDOM BRING PEACE AND CALM TO THE COMMUNITY. BEING DELIBERATELY OBTUSE ISN’T HELPING YOUR CAUSE HERE.

            Go on, keep pulling this stuff out of your ass, because you’re obviously way too full of shit.

            OUT OF MY ASS????? GRANNY BEING IN ON IT WAS WHAT? SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE VERIFIABLE PROOF ON? JUST WHO IN THE FUCK PULLED SHIT OUT OF THEIR ASS HERE ROCKET TURD?

          24. Ahahaha…. the perpetual capslock. Always a sign of a reasoned and intelligent response. You’re a damn joke.

          25. Then go be intelligent with someone else… It must be an even bigger joke that you’ve spent all day wasting time with a joke…

          26. Well, I’m not exactly being intelligent “with” you… more like I’m being intelligent “at” you.

          27. If you think so…

          28. It was a way to differentiate my response from your inane questions – not meant to be a sign of intelligence, but clearly it’s an idication of your lack thereof…

          29. Parsing and punctuation can do the same thing, but I guess you’re just too darn smart for that.

          30. If’d I’d had time to make it pretty Dipshit – I promise I would have, just for you…

          31. BTW, Miss “I worked with attorneys,” I assume that you realize that under the laws of most states, such as Texas, and under federal law, you’ve admitted in your first response on this topic to committing the the exact same crimes for which Hakken was charged in LA, and the kids’ parents could probably be charged with neglect and endangerment for knowingly leaving them in your care.

            “I worked for attorneys, and I like to post admissions of my own criminal activity on the internet.”

            Idiot.

          32. NOT A CRIME IN OREGON IF YOU HAVE A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CARD ASSHAT!!! And nope, they can’t, not if it’s used medicinally. It’s a prescription just like any controlled substance you can get at a pharmacy. My usage is tracked, I keep a journal and document everything. You are falling further and further behind in your lameness… take a breath, sit a spell, maybe you’ll feel better and you can rejoin with something pertinent to say a little later…

          33. Yeah, um, don’t know what the caps are all about, as I did say, “under the laws of *most* states” and “under federal law.”

            So because it’s legal in some states, it’s all gravy, but since it’s illegal in LA, the Hakkens’ are vile monsters that should have their family destroyed. That sounds fair.

            BTW, you’re still violating federal law (MONSTER!), and it looks like you’ve got a bill in your House to in fact make such medical use around kids illegal, so good luck with that. 😉

          34. States rights trump federal law in my state on this issue as it stands now… and the bill would make it illegal for me to fire up right in front of children. It wouldn’t make it illegal for me to use my medicinal dose and then BE around children… so thanks for the best wishes and all, but I’m good here.

            And yes, since it’s illegal in LA they should have done something different that what they were doing. Simple, simple. I didn’t call them vile monsters, although terrorizing the Grandmother and their children like that is a bit monsterous don’t you think? They didn’t become utterly vile in my opinion until the kidnapping. Up until that point, I would have understood their frustration with the situation, but I would have been smart enough to know that I wasn’t going to win this particular battle and I would have complied with the courts to get my children back. They chose to go rouge, to further endanger their kids and to put themselves into this kerfuffle. THEY chose it. What about that don’t you see?

          35. “States rights trump federal law in my state on this issue as it stands now…”

            I see… so… this didn’t really happen:

            Federal agents raid Oregon medical marijuana plot
            http://www.katu.com/news/local/130830348.html

            “But he said “it was strictly (the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration). They are throwing their weight around and saying the voters of Oregon don’t have any rights.”

            And the bill actually says in the “vicinity” of children, and you admitted that you smoke in the same house after they’re asleep. And yeah… still against federal law, you fuckin’ criminal.

            Your claims of “terrorizing” the grandmother and children are nothing but baseless hyperbole. What if the grandparents were in on it? Obviously they would be in trouble if they simply allowed the Hakkens to take their kids, so they might want to stage that it was done against their will. There is no indication that he beat or harmed the grandmother in any way. As far as “terrorizing” the children, this is just baseless bullshit… there’s nothing to indicate that they were “terrorized.” They were probably pretty happy to see mommy and daddy after who knows how many months without them.

            “I would have complied with the courts to get my children back.”

            Um… the “courts” had just finished completely terminating their parental rights. Duh. And you have no idea what went on in the year preceding that. You’re just blindly trusting the state. Well I think after one has had their children stolen from them over some hearsay and a marijuana charge, at some point one will begin losing faith in these “courts.”

            Another compliant little Soviet. How droll.

          36. First of all – yes back in 2011 (I notice you couldn’t google up anything more recent could you? Drone…) the DEA went bat-shit crazy in Oregon and raided everything from gorwers that were LEGALLY growing medical marijuana, to dispensaries that were legally distributing it. Has it happened since? Why no, it sure as hell hasn’t for those involved in the LEGAL side of this.

            Do you know for certain that the boys had a grand old time? I’m pretty fucking sure that if Mommmy and Daddy tied up my Gran, ran off with me and my brother and then put me in a boat for an ocean crossing that I would have been less than happy about it. In fact I KNOW I would have been terrified, first, I’d be seriously unhappy that Granny was in any way assaulted, (that being in the VERY least, having been tied to a chair unable to immediately free herself) but if I were tossed into a boat on the open ocean not knowing where I was headed on top of that? Yeah, I’d be scared. You nitwit! And your fucking retarded beyond measure theory that Gran was in on it? Go blow yourself you trolling peice of shit! Seriously. The Grandparents went to the trouble of getting custody the day before so they could be in on this little scam? You are so far beyond reasonable it’s scary. In fact, I think the Gov’ment should be taking a closer look at you. You aren’t safe to be around people with the shit you come up with.

            Do you honestly mean to tell me that the parents, in the entire YEAR that the courts had jusrisdiction over those boys were never ONCE given a chance to make some changes and get those boys back? BULL FUCKING SHIT. It was in the span of that YEAR, before they lost their rights that I was speaking of, moron, that would have been the period in which I would have complied with the courts… Are you required to wear a tee-shirt or something that let’s people know how unstable you are? Perhaps you should be…

            Another conspiracy theorist nut job… How common.

          37. Gotta love how every damn thing you spout is just baseless speculation and assumption (occasionally directly contradicted by available reports, and in fact supported by nothing but your own fantasies), yet you demand that I “know for certain.” Bitch, you know next to NOTHING. Here’s what you know:

            1) he was arrested about a year ago on a minor pot charge and both he and his wife lost custody of their kids

            2) a year later, after having parental rights terminated, they retrieved the kids and tied up grandma and fled to Cuba

            That’s IT. That’s ALL you know. Because that’s all that’s been reported that can actually be sourced. EVERYTHING else, you’re pulling out of your ass, or you are taking unsourced hearsay as fact at face value. At least when I speculate, I acknowledge it, whereas you spout baseless assumptions as if they were gospel truth.

            And yeah… um… the grandparents had custody, they didn’t just take custody the day before the Hakkens took the kids back, you moronic fucking tw*t.

          38. OK – because that’s what I said… You once again are correct and I feel like an utter piece of shit that I ever even questioned you… I should be flogged. Someday, can I be just as immaterial as you are???

          39. You really like fighting. We don’t care. We fight back.

          40. “Like fighting?” No. Occasionally feel compelled to point out basic fallacies in the “arguments” of presumptuous blowhards? Yeah, I suppose.

          41. You must fight with yourself a lot then, since you are the presumtuous blow hard insisting that Granny is in on the whole thing… try again

          42. Oh – just to clarify, NO illegal activity going on here. Never has been in my case. Never even had a moving violation in traffic. Clean as a whistle, can you say the same? Oh, and just in case you’re wondering, I’m 42, so I’ve had plenty of years to be a criminal fucktard, I just decided early on that it wasn’t the life for me…

          43. You are a criminal. You’ve openly admitted to violating Title 21 U.S.C. § 844. What attorneys did you work with? In case I ever need a lawyer, I’d like to know, so I can be sure to never hire them.

          44. Sure – I’m going to give you that info… Uh huh, want my SSN too? Perhaps my credit report, or maybe access to my bank accounts???

          45. Meh… I wouldn’t believe you anyway… you’ve already spouted a load of fabricated horseshit, as well as admitted to being a criminal in violation of federal law.

      2. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/04/10/15/47/cuba-to-return-florida-couple-and-children Here you go, dipshit. The couple were arrested on drugs charges in 2010 in Louisiana. Last paragraph. Nothing to do with the kidnapping (which it is because the parents weren’t the parents anymore and had no right to take them). They were at some wacky-tobacky anti-government orgy which they stupidly brought the kids to, and brought some fairy dust along for the ride. So eat shit and die.

        1. Jiminey christmas, do you practice at being so dense? Do you know the difference between a CHARGE and a CONVICTION?

          Fuckin’ moron.

          1. I don’t know but you seem to have it down pat pretty well. I was only trying to bring the convo down to your level. Why are you defending these turds?

          2. If you were bringing the “convo” to “my level,” you’d at least know the difference between a charge and a conviction, twit.

          3. What do you care anyway? The children are SAFE and away from their nutcase DNA donors. The DNA donors are now in jail where they belong. Case closed.

  10. According to Huffington Post, the children were taken away from the couple last year after they were found in a motel room with drugs and weapons babbling about taking a journey to Armagedden. Good for police, CPS, and Family Court!

    1. Oy… another titan in the realm of critical thinking. Again… do *you* know the difference between a “charge” and a “conviction?” Do *you* think that children should be taken from their parents on a mere *charge,* nothing more than an *unproven accusation?* (an unproven accusation that even if true, involves an incredibly minor marijuana violation)

      “found in a motel room with drugs” Based on the *charges,* eg: Possession of Marijuana, Possession of Drug Paraphernalia,
      and the Use of a Controlled and Dangerous Substance in
      the Presence of Minors, that could be something as minor as having a pipe and few crumbs of weed. And again, let’s compare this to if he had been knocking back fifths of Jack Daniels around his kids, which would of course be perfectly “legal.”

      “and weapons babbling about taking a journey to Armagedden.” So? In what condition was the weapon (if there was one)? Was it c*cked and sitting on the bed with the kids driving their Hotwheels over it, or was it holstered, unloaded, maybe locked, and on the top shelf of the closet? Were the Hakkens legally in possession of said weapons? What’s that? Neither you nor HuffPo have the answers to any of those questions? Well who gives a shit? Take their kids! Apparently if a family goes on a multi-state road trip, and they’re not allowed to bring protection. Do you have a recording of their “Armageddon” comments? Do you have a transcript of their statements or the context in which they were made? There is evidence that Hakken was more of an agnostic (check the Reason.com articles in my other post), so it’s likely that if any “Armageddon” comment was even made, it was not in any serious religious or literal context.

      It’s sad… I’m finishing up volume three of Gulag Archipelago … and it looks like some of you folks would have made excellent Soviet citizens. “The Party *says* he did such and such. Did they provide any proof or any trial? Well, that doesn’t really matter… Party word is truth! Accusation is guilt! Destroy their family! Send them to the labor camps!”

      (y’know… just been reading some Solzhenitsyn in “my mom’s basement”… my mom’s dead, BTW, but whatever… apparently Aussie’s argument is so rock-solid that she’s reverted to idiotic ad hominem attacks)

      1. Yes I do believe children should be taken from their parents before a conviction. The parents’ behavior was bizarre and suggests that they might harm themselves and the children. Of course we COULD wait and let these kids get killed and then convict and punish the parents if they are still alive but I prefer to protect the children. It’s a shame that CPS didn’t protect the Powell children before their crazy father took an ax to them and blew the house up but that’s okay, right? He was only a suspect, he hadn’t been convicted of his wife’s murder.

        I didn’t say they were religious. Armageddon has become a general term for a massive battle. Of course maybe the police just made this up but given that they tied up her mother and fled to Cuba suggests to me that these people are not playing with a full deck. I could have told them that Cuba doesn’t want our problem people. They never kept any of those nuts who hijacked planes to Cuba in years past. Of course you could argue that the police drove them to it, just like Josh Powell’s family says he was driven to murder his own children, but my momma never accepted “See what you made me do” arguments and never do I.

        1. You know nothing of the parents’ behavior in LA. You don’t even have a police report. All you have is one police statement. And police *never* lie, misconstrue, or misrepresent, do they? Perish the thought.

          Were there actually any signs or reports of violence or abuse in the hotel or the Hakken house? Nope, none at all. But hey, thanks for reminding me that pot smoking is just a gateway drug to ax murder.

          1. How do you know that she isn’t their next door neighbor??? Who knows nothing here, Marsha or you? You say she knows nothing, well again, we ALL invite you to own up to the vast amount of knowledge that you have about this family… or, STFU about what the rest of us know or don’t know. You aren’t privvy to what we do or don’t know, Dick, so insted of telling us what you think we think, cough up something interesting or go play in traffic with the other ameboids…

          2. This shit’s just getting surreal.

            You’re right… everyone that agrees with you is probably an intimate family friend of the Hakkens.

            See, here’s the thing… I’ve actually put out what I know (with references and citations), and admit to what I don’t know. You, on the other hand, just assume that you already know everything there is to know, or is worth knowing, about the case, and act like there’s nothing left to question. That’s pretty much the ass-backwards opposite of critical thinking, especially considering the dearth of information that is actually available.

          3. Do you KNOW Granny was in collusion with her daughter? Or did you just throw that out there to see if anyone would bite? I mean you keep running with the idea, not me or anyone else. See… I think I need to talk to my pal at the FBI… you’re too emotionally involved in this for it to be anything else other than you have inside information…

            I’ve read all that there is available about this case. I’ve also worked in several different areas of law enforcement. See, I can tell when the information that is being unveiled by law enforcement is bait and when it isn’t… you seem to have taken the bait there NLOR…

            Bottom line, you and I disagree on what was the right solution for the children here. To me, you are one of those people that see a child being “disciplined” aggressively by Mom in public and you turn away thinking that if you intervened Mom might go all punchy/hitty on you. Me, I’m the person that jumps in and places herself between Mom and child. I work in defense of the child, always. You seem more concerned with the adults in this case and to me, that’s the wrong place to be coming from. Maybe you got lucky in life and you weren’t abused. Most of the people here, well, we were. So maybe our angle doesn’t mesh with your world view, but I assure you, yours doesn’t mesh so good with ours when it comes to the protection/defense of kids. Sometimes the biological parents are not the right people to raise a child, sometimes kids need to be removed from those homes for their own protection and safety. I don’t know why you refuse to see anything from this point of view?

          4. I met these people and their children through a mutual friend a few years ago, Chase was just a tiny baby and Cole must have been about 2. They are not stable people. The mother seemed kind of close to normal-ish, but had no interested in standing up to their father at all and he was a total nut job. Everyone wants to say they kidnapped them because they “loved them so much” – I’m cannot find the words to express how mis-informed that statement is. It was selfish, not loving. If they loved their kids, they would have shown up to any number of court hearings that would have gotten them their children back legally. Not tied up their grandmother and dragged them to Cuba in a boat full of loaded guns.

          5. “A boat full of loaded guns,” huh? Funny, I haven’t seen that reported anywhere. Can you provide a source?

            “If they loved their kids, they would have shown up to any number of court hearings that would have gotten them their children back legally.”

            So your “mutual friend” attended these court hearings and knows they didn’t show? Or you’ve got their case file that says they didn’t show? Because I’d be interested to see your source that says they didn’t show to any of their hearings.

            Or perhaps you’re just making it up, as I suspect you’re making up another pertinent claim in your post.

          6. Oh Maxine, I couldn’t be happier that you chimed in, but be prepared, NoLeftOrRight is probably going to attack you too… I took it as a chance to mess with a troll, I hope if you respond to him at all, that you do too! It’s funny that you’ve said what you have, because to me, Josh’s thought processes have been crystal clear all along. He is pissed that people questioned something he decided was OK – legal or not. Someone DARED to challenge his ass on something and he responded like an angry 12 year old instead of like a MAN and/or a PARENT. Who for the love of God, takes their children to Cuba if they are in the right of things? Cuba, really? That’s a regime that’s stable and secure, and SUCH a great place to raise you kids, what with the poverty and stellar education provided there. And yet, idiots on here defend them. I so don’t get it! But I do thank you for sharing your experience with them, it does lend a hand to the correct thinking people on here! 🙂

          7. Not to mention that Americans are banned from travelling in Cuba for tourism purposes. Kidnapping children – is that business or pleasure? It must be the latter, since the Hakkens got such a kick out of it.

          8. YES!! Finally a voice of reason! No stable person would assault a frail elder to get to children that they were explicitly told to stay away from. No stable person would threaten a foster home full of children with a gun. I hope this trolltard @069524a1247d5795e1b0941f892e2088:disqus listens to you, he’s not listening to anyone else (like the majority) who say that the Hakkens did the wrong thing!

          9. Go ahead and keep on acting like you know what your talking about. Doesn’t make it any more true just because you keep repeating yourself.

          10. That’s the pot calling the kettle black. I have nothing more to say to you, so I guess I will repeat myself.

          11. Yeah, um… only difference is that the stuff I say is actually corroborated, or speculation stated as such and based on available information, whereas your bullshit is not. Unfortunately, that principle’s been established to be beyond your comprehension.

          12. The Hakkens did the wrong thing, now they’re in prison. Where they belong.

          13. “Do you KNOW Granny was in collusion with her daughter?”

            Did I say I “KNEW?” No. Do you KNOW that the kids were ever in danger from their parents? You sure as shit don’t.

            ” To me, you are one of those people that see a child being “disciplined” aggressively by Mom in public and you turn away thinking that if you intervened Mom might go all punchy/hitty on you. Me, I’m the person that jumps in and places herself between Mom and child.”

            There’s a difference between being “disciplined” and “abused,” and that would make the difference toward whether you’re protecting a child or just being a self-righteous busybody. Thankfully, I’ve never really been personal witness to either, so your supposition is moot.

            “Maybe you got lucky in life and you weren’t abused. Most of the people here, well, we were.”

            And it looks like it’s driven you to automatically assume the worst about parents and families that you know nothing about. And no, I wasn’t abused, but I have people very close to me that were, that are in agreement with my position. I’ve also had the unfortunate privilege of being the designated monitor for supervised visits between a friend’s abusive ex-girlfriend and their daughter, so I’m not entirely without personal insight.

            “Sometimes the biological parents are not the right people to raise a child, sometimes kids need to be removed from those homes for their own protection and safety. I don’t know why you refuse to see anything from this point of view?”

            Where did I ever disagree with that? Where did I say no child should ever be taken from their parents? I didn’t. What *you* refuse to see is that that is not necessarily the case in all instances.

          14. You sure acted like it was a fact that Granny was in collusion once you hit upon that idea. I don’t HAVE to know if they were in danger. What about that is complicated for you? They went through the courts. The courts decided that the kids being with their bio-parents wasn’t in their best interest. As I said before that I have yet to see you address, is that judges DEPLORE being reversed on appeal. They think it makes them look bad. They won’t just willy-nilly take away parental rights if they think that there is even a prayer’s chance in hell that their decision will be reversed. Is that so damn complicated for you? Think what you want about me and where I may have been driven (your compassion is quite lacking though isn’t it?) I will speak in defense of the child every DAMN time. I don’t care that you seem to have surrounded yourself with people that think you’re God and agree with your viewpoints. That brings NOTHING to the table, oh, and bully for you for being involved in ONE potential situation where a child was abused. Is that like the ONE rally you think I went to? I happen to have gone to 16 of them, I never even indicated that tany rally was a one off, only that is was an experiment. Part of my college experience was the first Gulf War, here in uber-liberal Portland, Oregon I had PLENTY of chances to attend anti-governement rallies, so there again Assumes-Much, you KNOW nothing about me. I never even came close to declaring that there aren’t cases where mistakes are made. I don’t believe that to be the case in this situation. Why does that twist you up so badly?

  11. Just a quick update before bed, for those presumptuous, hate-filled harpies that swore up and down about how the removal from the grandparents’ home and their flight from the country “terrorized” the children:

    “The children’s grandparents said the boys are under the impression they merely went on vacation and aren’t aware of the criminal charges facing their parents.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/12/joshua-sharyn-hakken-detention_n_3068142.html?

    1. Cuba’s a lovely place for Americans, what with the ban and all on travel for tourism purposes. Such as safe place with that unstable government of theirs and the third world conditions. Say, I hear Syria is also a great place to take children. And Afghanistan. And Sudan. What other destinations can you recommend for kidnappers to take hostages, since you’re just such a font of knowledge?

      1. Bitch all you want about Cuba. Doesn’t change the fact that the kids were safe and apparently had a good time on their trip, in spite of the baseless claims to the contrary.

        Seems like Jay-Z and Beyonce also had a pretty good time and made it out of there okay, despite being millionaire “capitalist dogs.”

        1. The Hakkens did the wrong thing, now they’re in prison. Where they belong

    2. More, from Fox news:

      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/11/us-couple-accused-kidnapping-their-2-children-brought-back-from-cuba-jailed-in/

      Friends of the couple say they seemed to have a charmed life, doting on their two young boys, buying a comfortable home and building successful careers as engineers.

      “This is a train that went completely off the tracks, and I don’t have any explanation for how it can go off the track that badly basically in a year and a half. It’s very bizarre,” said Darrell Hanecki, who employed Sharyn Hakken for nearly a decade at Hanecki Consulting Engineers.

      Hanecki said Wednesday that she was an easygoing and relaxed employee who worked from the home they owned in sunny Tampa so she could spend more time with the kids. She brought the boys into the office a few times to show them off to her colleagues.

      “The kids were really well-behaved. From everything I could tell, she was a great mom. Her kids were definitely her priority,” Hanecki said.

      —–

      Also, Joshua “attended the U.S. Air Force Academy from 1996 to 1998 but did not graduate, according to academy spokesman Sgt. Vann Miller, who declined to provide further details.”

      Rest of the article is pretty much re-hash of previous reports.

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