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Crazy Confederate anti-vaxxer kidnaps kid

Sunrise Woman Accused Of Kidnapping Daughter To Avoid Vaccinations:

Sunrise mom accused of kidnapping girl to avoid vaccination, preschool:

Country-wide hunt for Florida mom on the run with daughter, 2, after kidnapping her from dad ‘to stop her being vaccinated’:

Megan Elizabeth Everett

Let’s get this out of the way right up front. There is no link between vaccines and Autism. It has been debunked time and time again. If you believe that there is you are a gullible and ignorant Luddite. Like 22-year-old Megan Elizabeth Everett of Sunrise, Florida.

Everett had shared custody of her 2-year-old daughter Lilly. Back in May when it was time for Everett to return Lilly to her father she didn’t and is now part of a nationwide manhunt for both Lilly and her egg donor. The reason Everett allegedly kidnapped her daughter is so she wouldn’t be vaccinated. The crazy doesn’t end there though as Everett only wanted her daughter to learn about the Confederacy. Yes, that Confederacy, the failed nation that broke from the Union in order to perpetuate slavery in North America.

According to court records, Everett left a note for Baumann vaguely explaining her actions.

“You are a great dad,” she wrote, with the word “great” underlined. “If I let them take her and vaccinate her and brainwash her, I wouldn’t be doing what’s right. I cannot let a judge tell me how my daughter should be raised. We will miss you. But I had to leave.”

“One of the issues we had was, she wanted to home school my daughter,” said Baumann. “I didn’t want that to happen. She didn’t want Lilly to learn about black history. She just wanted her to learn about the Confederacy.”

Once again we have home schooling being used to hide behind racism and anti-vaxxing which both can be considered a type of abuse.

It seems that Everett ‘s new squeeze, Carlos Lesters, may have been the one who put these ideas in her had as his entire family has been described as Confederate flag waving gun nuts. Lesters also has family in Georgia and Kentucky.

Police ask anyone with information about the whereabouts of Everett and Lilly to call 954-746-3600 or Broward Crime Stoppers at 954-493-TIPS (8477).

Oh an as an aside, the Confederate flag in all its forms should be referred to by its proper name, the traitor’s rag.

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  1. Skye Belle Matilda Brand

    Ugh! I HATE the anti-vax crowd!
    I have a friend who CANNOT have her son vaccinated due to medical issues &amp his chance of catching some horrible disease increases every time some total moron decides not to vaccinate because they heard some celebrity say it causes autism!

    1. Mommyof3lovesbb.net

      well I am not a celebrity &amp my son was a perfectly healthy, normal 2 yr old, then I got him a flu shot. He was diagnosed Autistic 3 months later. There is absolutely NO HISTORY of Autism in mine or my husbands family. THATS why I will never vaccinate again.

      1. Skye Belle Matilda Brand

        You’re a fucking idiot.
        Vaccines do NOT cause autism.
        Also, an autism diagnosis typically takes 12 months as there’s no blood test you can take. Saying that you had a diagnosis within 3 months is a pretty good indication that the process was in motion prior to the flu shot.

        1. Blood tests would likely show high levels of heavy metals in autistic children. Now where would those heavy metals come from…?

          1. Heavy metals? m/

          2. Atmospheric pollution? Dirt? Dodgy cheap toys?

        2. Agree

      2. I agree with Skye. Autism cannot be detected properly until at least 3 years of age anyway, and it takes a hell of a lot of testing to even establish that there’s a problem.
        Here’s a fun fact: if your unvaxxed child came into contact with a baby who is too young to be vaxxed, and gave it measles or smallpox, that baby could die. You could even be up for charges of manslaughter if pathologists find that the disease came from your unvaxxed child.
        You don’t need a family history of autism to produce an autistic child, further proving your claims are bullshit.

        1. I would be concerned about the vaccinated child spreading something to the unvaccinated child.

          If vaccines actually worked, there’s no way the vaccinated child could get anything from the unvaccinated child. Common sense, people!

          1. How would the vaccinated child give an unvaxxed one polio or measles?

          2. Oral polio vaccines are known to cause a mutated strain of the virus (vaccine-induced polio, as opposed to the wild strain). Anyone undergoing chemo (or who are otherwise immuno-compromised) are told to avoid people who’ve recently been given certain vaccines, including oral polio.

          3. If vaccines actually worked, there’s no way the vaccinated child could get anything from the unvaccinated child. Common sense, people!

            Somebody call the….

          4. you are an idiot. Do some research on HOW VACCINES ACTUALLY WORK!

          5. Please do some research on how the immune system actually works and get back to us.

            Also, there are studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals which suggest exactly what Alexandra stated. One study that used vaccinated chimps showed that they were the most contagious for pertussis at that point when they should have had the strongest immunity. Lets not forget that doctors will instruct their patients who are receiving chemotherapy (or are otherwise immuno-compromised) to avoid those who have recently received certain vaccines. Many of the vaccine inserts (those wordy pieces of paper that the vaccine manufacturers stuff into the boxes that they send to the doctors’ offices, but that the doctors don’t actually show their patients unless the patients insist) state that the very disease the vaccines are meant to prevent may be contracted by the vaccine itself. That means that a child that is given the MMR vaccine could very well come down with one of the diseases it’s meant to prevent. The measles virus in the vaccine being a live version, you’re going to claim that can’t be transmitted to others? Are you going to say the same for live (oral) polio vaccine?

            Again, this is all from studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals, and the cases of vaccine-induced polio are well-documented in Africa, India, and the middle east.

            Please, before you start calling people “idiot”, actually do some reading.

          6. The only time it is really impossible to contract illness directly from the vaccine for the illness is when it is an a-cellular virus/baterium. Yes, Pertussis is caused by bacterium,  not a virus. DTaP has a-cellular Pertussis, makimg the vaccine less effective than DTP, and also making it virtually impossible to contract Pertussis directly from the vaccine itself.

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            Please do some research on how the immune system actually works and get back to us. Also, there are studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals which suggest exactly what Alexandra stated. One study that used vaccinated chimps showed that they were the most contagious for pertussis at that point when they should have had the strongest immunity. Lets not forget that doctors will instruct their patients who are receiving chemotherapy (or are otherwise immuno-compromised) to avoid those who have recently received certain vaccines. Many of the vaccine inserts (those wordy pieces of paper that the vaccine manufacturers stuff into the boxes that they send to the doctors’ offices, but that the doctors don’t actually show their patients unless the patients insist) state that the very disease the vaccines are meant to prevent may be contracted by the vaccine itself. That means that a child that is given the MMR vaccine could very well come down with one of the diseases it’s meant to prevent. The measles virus in the vaccine being a live version, you’re going to claim that can’t be transmitted to others? Are you going to say the same for live (oral) polio vaccine? Again, this is all from studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals, and the cases of vaccine-induced polio are well-documented in Africa, India, and the middle east. Please, before you start calling people “idiot”, actually do some reading. 4:23 p.m., Friday June 27

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          7. http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110

            The quickest link I was able to find for the study. Apologies, I was mistaken in the use of chimpanzees. They used baboons in this study.

            Just in case anyone is wondering why the findings of a study using baboons is important to humans: http://www.nfid.org/idinfo/pertussis/5-nonhuman-primate.pdf

            And even the CDC admits that unvaccinated kids aren’t the reason for the increase in pertussis cases (though I fail to see how they can admit this then backpedal and say that they’re still a risk to others… I mean, they’ve just admitted that the vaccinated are as much a risk, haven’t they?):

            http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/faqs.html

            Both of my parents had pertussis (along with all the other childhood diseases), both say that every child they knew growing up had it, and neither knew a single child that died from it (not even infants, which are not even protected by herd immunity if the study linked above is correct) or had lasting or permanent damage from it. Back then, it was another of the expected childhood illnesses that every child got, and every child got over. Of course, back then, things like asthma were rare, as were all the other illnesses of today that could cause complications from what were otherwise benign illnesses. Even when I was growing up, I only knew of one child in one school I attended that had asthma, and the worst allergies I’d heard of were seasonal. These things were rare. Now I know a ton of kids *and* adults that have asthma, allergies of all sorts (and to the weirdest things!), and all manner of autoimmune diseases.

            So when a parent says to me “I’ve chosen not to vaccinate my kids”, I can totally understand why they have made that decision, and respect it.

        2. Not sure about Au, but the US stopped widespread smallpox vaccinations back in the early ’70’s.

          Also, in the US, most of the outbreak clusters are among mostly vaccinated populations. There haven’t been any charges against any parents of vaccinated or unvaccinated children for passing along any disease as of yet. They can’t do it, for the very reasons just stated, in addition to this… if a child passes along a disease against which they were vaccinated, who is liable for any deaths that might occur? Do you skip right over the vaccinated children that passed it on, and go right to the unvaccinated child that got it from one of them? I’m just curious how that would work.

          A law was inserted into The Patriot Act in the US that prevents lawsuits against any vaccine manufacturer or physician for any vaccine related damages. That means that if a vaccine doesn’t work properly, or if a child or anyone else is damaged by a vaccine (as my friend’s child was), then the manufacturer can’t be held liable, nor can the doctor that gives the vaccine (even if said doctor coerced the patient). Here in the US, we have set up a VAERS system to keep a record of injuries associated with vaccines (https://vaers.hhs.gov/index). It is the law that ALL adverse events be reported here, but most events go unreported, even ones that are known to be associated with the vaccines that were given. For the more severe events (life-threatening, permanent injury, and death), there is a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html). Compensation for the injuries isn’t paid for by the manufacturer, but by an excise tax of $.75 on each vaccine (or for each component, in the case of combo shots… for example, DtaP would be taxed 3.75, since it’s a combination of 5 vaccines). NVIC, which is routinely bashed by people as being anti-vaxx (which they’re not… they’re actually for doing away with combo shots and the ingredients they believe there is evidence of causing harm, and they’re for informed consent) actually helped set up the VAERS program and the VICP *after* the laws were made to prevent lawsuits against manufacturers. So, without them, the child that goes into anaphylactic shock after being given a vaccine with an egg component, and dies, the parents would have no recourse at all and have to foot the hospital bills, the morgue bills, the burial, etc., all out of pocket. At least now, they have some assistance with that.

          As for diagnosing autism, as with any other brain function disorders, a parent can tell the difference between a child functioning normally, and a child who isn’t. They know the difference between their child who is developing normally, learning new words, etc., and their child who suddenly stops learning, and even regresses. I, for example, have known my oldest son has had a form of dyslexia for years. However, he was unable to be diagnosed for this particular form until he was 7 years old. Just because he couldn’t be properly diagnosed until that age, doesn’t mean that I was wrong. All I was told was “we can’t even try to diagnose that until he’s 7.”

          I want to point out that I’m not trying to convince anyone that they should not vaccinate, any more than I would want anyone to tell me what I should do one way or the other. But I do believe that there are a lot of knee-jerk reactions with regard to this topic, from both sides. I have long since learned that when someone tells me that they don’t vaccinate their children, they’re not condemning me for my choices, or even trying to convince me that I shouldn’t vaccinate my kids. They’re simply stating what their choice was, and why. But I do see a lot of people who so strongly believe that non-vaxxers are wrong, that they refuse to even try to see the other person’s perspective and automatically condemn them, often with “verbal” abuse thrown in. The only reason for such behavior is to shame them into agreeing, and that never works. I would never tell my friend, who’s child actually was damaged, who’s (very pro-vaccine) family doctor even stated that the disease was caused by the vaccine, that her choice not to vaccinate was wrong. Her choice for her children has already been proven right. Parents of children who’ve been injured, and told that “it’s a necessary risk to protect everyone else” find little comfort, and many feel that their child was made to “take one for the team”.

          1. With regard to knee-jerk reactions about this topic (and others)…

            “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
            ― Mark Twain

          2. Just a note, it was not just the US that stopped smallpox in the 70’s. The WHO conducted a worldwide door-to-door campaign internationally after they created the vaccination in conjunction with Edward Jenner using a live cowpox virus. The result was the eradication of smallpox. The virus only exists in two storage facilities now. where it is frozen, one in Russia and one in Atlanta.

          3. Why on Earth would anyone keep it around?

      3. So what if there’s no history?! Autism isn’t single gene, and most autistics ONLY get diagnosed within or after the first year of life. I only got diagnosed at 31!

        1. And there’s NO HISTORY in MY family either.

        2. Absolutely. There is no familial history for me either, yet here I am, on the spectrum. I wish people would stop searching to place the blame and just embrace their child’s difference and work to get over obstacles. Really screaming and pointing your fingers at everything shows no decorum.

      4. It’s called a genetic mutation. Wake up.

      5. How old was the dad when the kid was born? Did he have a science, math or engineering degree? Did *your* dad have one? All those can be risk factors, even without a family history of diagnosed autism (especially if you or the dad grew up before Asperger Syndrome was well-known).

      6. ok this in my weird thought on the rise in autism numbers. I must preface this by saying that I would likely have been diagnosed as such were I in today’s school system.

        but here is my worry. Silicone. As in bottle nipples, pacifiers, sippy cups, baking trays, etc.

        I can no longer seem to find the graph images as regards the rise in silicon use in the USA of these products. Most are manufactured in China. ’nuff said.

        I compared that to the increase in autism diagnosis’ at one point, and gee they appeared correlated.

        Now correlation does not = cause.

        I really think brighter minds than mine need to investigate this. I keep repeating this on the internet whenever the opportunity arises, most call me an unflattering name, but I am genuinely of the mind that in this case correlation may just = cause! When I first looked maybe 10 years ago at the numbers, they really seemed to relate very well.

        http://healthychild.org/easy-steps/from-bottle-nipples-to-baked-goods-is-silicone-safe/
        http://www.theecomum.com/blog/eco-myth-busting-myth-2-silicone-is-totally-inert-totally-safe-not#_
        http://www.safbaby.com/is-silicone-safe
        http://www.safbaby.com/is-silicone-in-baby-products-and-bakeware-really-safe

        I am not talking about BPA! for the record!
        http://www.ebay.com/gds/What-you-need-to-know-about-BPA-Baby-Products-/10000000017387247/g.html

        annd then there is latex…Just feed ur kids from yours tits please! At least until someone actually make a real study. We all know what the reputation of goods manufactured in China. Yet we are so fast to put them in our baby’s mouths!

        http://thesoftlanding.com/baby-bottle-nipples-which-ones-are-safe/

        yea yea I am on a rant!

    2. Um, I decided to not vaccinate due to two of my children having an adverse event due to vaccines(it is unknown which one specifixally he reacted to or jf it was miltiple) that was reported to VAERS by our local Urgent Care facility. I also had another son who reacted to his 2 month vaccinations. Never again will I vaccinate because of this history as it is not safe for my kids to vaccinate.

      Also, just so it is clear the majority of whooping cough outbrraks have been occuring amongst the previously vaccinated. Same goes for the measles. Why? Our vaccine for whooping cough does not cover for a particular strain of bacteria that also causes whooping cough, so the vaccinated come down with it and non vaxers get the blame. Here is more nonbiased information on the MMR vaccine and DTaP.

      http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Measles.aspx
      http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Whooping-Cough.aspx

      1. Personal experience… I got my MMR when I was a toddler. And again when I was 10 and we moved to South Africa from the US. I STILL got the measles two years later. And this was in 1983. I almost died it was that serious of a case. Vaccines are no joke, and they aren’t a guarantee that a child won’t still come down with a dreaded disease. I spent 10 days in hospital, and I don’t even remember the first several days at all. I’m an intelligent, educated 43 year old woman and if I had become a Mom, I don’t believe I would have vaccinated until the children were out of their toddler years…

        1. I gave both my kids the full schedule of vaccines they do these days, including the combo shots, and had no problems. Vax day was pretty awesome when they were babies actually as it guaranteed they’d sleep most of the day.

          I however have been vaccinated fully as well as a child and have had boosters throughout my life. Rubella does not stick. I was vaccinated after every pregnancy because my blood tests showed no immunity. The vaccine just doesn’t work on me.

          They also gave me the flu shot when I was pregnant with my daughter and that was HORRIBLE. I was in bed for two days just miserable. I didn’t get the flu, but the muscles in the arm where they administered the shot just ached very painfully and didn’t stop. Never doing that again. Everyone is different.

          1. I forgot about the flu shots, I can’t take those either. I had an AWFUL reaction to that as well. Ended up in the ER two nights later with a severe case of the flu and that progressed over the next couple of days to an agonizing case of pleurisy. I don’t get those anymore either. I’m not completely against them, I think I would just wait until the child was past those toddler years that seem to be the crux of the anti-vaxer’s argument. But again, that is partially based on my own poor reaction to vaccines.

      2. Skye Belle Matilda Brand

        Nothing on the NVIC site is non-biased.

        1. Neither is anything on, say, WebMD.

          1. Again see my link to Johns Hopkins.

        2. Nothing *anywhere* is non-biased.

      3. Neither of those things are true. They are lies spread by anti-vaxxers.

        1. Neither of what things are true, exactly? The info on the links Suzee posted? That the majority of whooping cough outbreaks are among the previously vaccinated? That measles are? That there is a strain of pertussis that isn’t prevented by the vaccine?

          The two links only give information about the diseases that is readily available on the CDC website, and about the vaccines that is available on the CDC website and in the vaccine inserts provided by the vaccine manufacturers, and links to studies that were published in peer-reviewed medical journals. All of those things Suzee said in her comment come right from studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals.

      4. Regarding the adverse event, your doctor SHOULD investigate.
        Duty of care to patients, remember?
        Don’t settle for mediocrity or laziness.
        I don’t know how they do things there, but in my book, if a patient has issues, they BETTER be resolved before discharge, whether from the wards or the clinic.

    3. I would not worry. Whenever there’s an outbreak, most of the people who catch it have been vaccinated. Go figure.

      Vaccinations are actually bad for your health. http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-herd-immunity-myth-and-how-it-pits-parent-against-parent/

      They can cause auto-immune disorders (now you know where all the peanut allergies are coming from) http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/do-vaccines-cause-autoimmune-disease/

      1. I thought allergies were on the rise because of hand sanitiser and the near-OCD tendencies of some parents to keep their kids away from dirt?

        1. There *may* be a link between allergies and “leaky gut syndrome”. It’s still being studied, and hasn’t been proven for certain one way or the other (scientifically) that I’ve seen, but there are those who have had a lot of success with getting rid of their allergies (mostly or in part) by changing their diet and fixing their gut. The current theory is that sections of the intestinal lining become weak and develop holes or tears. When food particles that haven’t been digested (or that the boy is unable to digest) get through those tears, the body’s immune system attack them as it would any foreign invader, and creates antibodies against it. When the person eats that type of food again, it makes them sick in any number of ways. Fixing the gut could also potentially fix a lot of other problems, as well. What causes the actual leaks in the gut is also being studied/debated. Some are studying a possible gluten link, some believe it’s linked to toxins. And I’m sure I read at least one claim that it was a biblical end-o’-the-word type delio that involved zombies. XD

          As an OCD hand washer, I have to agree with you about that hand sanitizer. It’s definitely one of the worst things ever. We don’t have any antibacterial anything in the house, and I make sure my kids get outside into the dirt as much as possible. Call me crazy, but I believe it’s one of the best things you can do for you kids’ immune system, along with a proper diet. 🙂

          Hand sanitizer has been linked with stronger virus and bacteria strains, but I haven’t seen anything linking it with allergies (doesn’t mean that the info isn’t out there, though).

          1. We do this too. Nothing antibacterial soap wise and the kiddos get exposure to dirt outside as much as possible. Their colds do not last nearly as long as many of their friends do. Now, food allergies to certain foods that once were advised to be avoided were on the rise, because doctors now believe the waiting to expose may have actually hindered preventing allergy rather than help, but that is inconclusive still.
            The only allergy I can honestly contribute to what we do to food specifically and also with medicine has been the overuse of antibiotics. Over 50% of antibiotics produced go directly to cows, pigs, and chickens in conventional meat manufacturing. They are overcrowded and constantly exposed to their own waste thus the need for a constant dose of antibiotics to prevent and treat potential bacterial illness. This, in turn, means when these animals are slaughtered, the antibiotics are still in their system and are inside the meat you buy at your local grocery store. Cooking it doesnt get rid of it, as far as I know. We also spray down fruits and veggies with antibiotic sprays and antifungals to prevent growth on the skin and washing it doesnt guarantee it not going inside of you. Pile that on top of the still continued overuse of antibiotics in medicine, and it makes perfect sense kn why we are still getting super bugs, allergies to antibiotics, etc.

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            There *may* be a link between allergies and “leaky gut syndrome”. It’s still being studied, and hasn’t been proven for certain one way or the other (scientifically) that I’ve seen, but there are those who have had a lot of success with getting rid of their allergies (mostly or in part) by changing their diet and fixing their gut. The current theory is that sections of the intestinal lining become weak and develop holes or tears. When food particles that haven’t been digested (or that the boy is unable to digest) get through those tears, the body’s immune system attack them as it would any foreign invader, and creates antibodies against it. When the person eats that type of food again, it makes them sick in any number of ways. Fixing the gut could also potentially fix a lo t of other problems, as well. What causes the actual leaks in the gut is also being studied/debated. Some are studying a possible gluten link, some believe it’s linked to toxins. And I’m sure I read at least one claim that it was a biblical end-o’-the-word type delio that involved zombies. XD As an OCD hand washer, I have to agree with you about that hand sanitizer. It’s definitely one of the worst things ever. We don’t have any antibacterial anything in the house, and I make sure my kids get outside into the dirt as much as possible. Call me crazy, but I believe it’s one of the best things you can do for you kids’ immune system, along with a proper diet. 🙂 Hand sanitizer has been linked with stronger virus and bacteria strains, but I haven’t seen anything linking it with allergies (doesn’t mean that the info isn’t out there, though). 10:27 a.m., Saturday June 21

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          2. Yes, the problems with overuse of antibiotics is well documented. The problems with overuse of hormones in food livestock is also well-known (but perhaps a little less well documented). So many children are developing way too early these days (precocious puberty). Unfortunately, their brain development isn’t keeping up int he least, and they’re left unable to deal with these changes.

  2. The baby’s father must have been wearing one HELL of a set of beer goggles when he screwed her. Just what the world needs, more stupid ugly trash.

  3. Whoever wrote this article about the kidnapped girl is a liar, they wrote “Yes, that Confederacy, the failed nation that broke from the Union in order to perpetuate slavery in North America.” this is a stupid biased racist statement, and I resent it It makes me cry as a Confederate American to see such discrimination and racism against the people of the Confederate States of America.

      1. YEP = Satans minions won the Civil War = Now the Federal Gov. is in charge of every aspect of your life = enjoy your Liberty scumbag or the lack there of.

        1. Yeah, because the Confederacy was all about liberty. Moron.

          1. The majority of the Founding Fathers were slave owning plantation owners and were the greatest off all Americans = EVER. And guess what? They were fighting for Liberty just as their children and grand children did. Read a book Moron scumbag.

          2. So that makes slavery ok then?

            I bet not only do you wish there still was slavery but I bet you call it the war of Northern aggression too.

          3. The Confederate Battle Flag is a sacred symbol to me and many of the 70 million descendants of Confederate soldiers. The CFB to me represents true freedom (LIBERTY) from governmental intrusion in my life.

            The Spirit of the Constitution and our most primary founding document is the Declaration of Independence = (DOI) it gives Americans their prime directive to always be in control of the Government = whenever the current government does not act in the peoples best interest it is our sacred “Duty” to abolish it ASAP. The DOI is our only failsafe mechanism (THE RESET BUTTON) to protect us against a TYRANNICAL government. Abraham Lincoln’s policies of subjugation of the South at all costs forever rendered the DOI null and void and resulted in our enslavement as tax slaves forever with no recourse.

            Being forced into a UNION of States against our will reminds me of a husband who beats his woman into submission and forces her to marry him.

            The definition of slavery is being forced to work without compensation = (financial gain).

            The average American worker works 5 to 8 months of every year to pay for Federal and State Income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, fuel taxes, manufacturing taxes on all raw materials, import taxes = taxes upon taxes = pay you taxes slave = all this was a result of Abe Lincolns policies. Our founding Fathers considered taxes evil = Abraham Lincoln and his cronies loved taxes they imposed the first Federal Income tax of 3% on every income over $800 in 1861.

            Before the South’s Subjugation we were a nation of Liberty = because the government took over America by force we are now a Nation of Laws = Rule of Law = and there is a law that governs every aspect of your life = 100s of thousands of laws, (3000 new laws and regs are written every year) regulations, ordinances that dictate what you can do, when you can do it , who you can do it with the very air we breathe and every drop of water is regulated all ultimately resulted because the South lost the war and the Federal govt. assumed complete control of every American.

          4. The Confederate Battle Flag is a sacred symbol to me and many of the 70 million descendants of Confederate soldiers.

            Like this guy?

          5. I don’t remember that scene from Harry Potter :S

          6. “The Confederate Battle Flag is a sacred symbol to me and many of the 70 million descendants of Confederate soldiers. The CFB to me represents true freedom (LIBERTY) from governmental intrusion in my life.”
            Idiot.
            So in that reasoning, a citizen of said FAILED nation, is immune to ALL government influence over his life. Great! He can go shoot up what he likes, and the government CAN’T intervene to save the other citizens, because it would infringe his “Liberty” to shoot whoever he wants and the victims’ “liberty” to be left alone to get killed off. That’s taking your stupid self – centred philosophy to the extreme.
            So obvious who’s the evil one’s minion

          7. . Yankee Myth = “Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do.

             

            The Word of God is very clear what makes a Sin = Murder is Sin = adultery is Sin= Sexual Perversion is Sin = nowhere in the Bible will you find a condemnation of Slavery . In the Old Testament God instructs his people = the Israelites to take slaves , there is an entire Mosaic Slave Code where the Israelites = Jews were instructed how to be good masters.

            Many translations of the Bible use the word “servant”, “bondservant”, or “manservant” instead of “slave” .

            However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

            The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

            If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

            When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

            When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

            God made it plain over and over again that he cannot be in the presence of Sin = He goes into great detail everything that he considers a sin = = If God considered Slavery a Sin he would have never allowed his chosen people to participate in it. In the New Testament Jesus lives and walks around in the Roman Empire were the population was 30 to 70% SLAVES = Jesus never said one word against Slavery = as the Son of God he could have snapped his fingers and freed millions of Slaves in an instant.

            Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

            Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

            The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)”

            The word slave was derived from the Latin word “SLAV” because 100 of millions of slaves were taken from the Slavic tribes of Europe by the Greeks, Romans and Muslims. Far more white people were enslaved historically over the history of man than Africans. The Roman Empire over a 1000 years had approx. 400 to 500 million slaves = 90% were of Slavic origins.

          8. Got a message for you.

          9. Actually this whole country lost, especially with the “ratification” of the 14th Amendment, which centralized power. The States became states, just mere provinces, because of this.

          10. Sounds like another thing the Confederacy should be blamed for then.

          11. Lol “Yankee”

          12. Ha! I’m half Polish. Where are my reparations? LOL

          13. As one of the (semi) resident heathens, I’d like to point out that there is a reason why there is a NEW testament. ) Also, doesn’t the quran talk a lot of shit about the Isrealites? And any non-Muslims, for that matter? And how many Christians do you know that have actual Isrealite blood in their veins? Probably not a lot. Just sayin’.

          14. Oooh! I almost forgot that I’m one of the (semi) resident Yankees… and I mean a true Yankee, none of that NYC bullshit. 🙂

          15. Just to clarify why I mention the quran… “Just because some dude wrote it in some old book…” You get the idea.

            You talk about “purchasing children”? If you don’t think that’s harmful, just consider someone purchasing yours. Yes, even YOU are a non-person to some religious fanatic somewhere in the world, which makes your children non-people to them. Don’t forget that Jesus said it would be better for you to tie a millstone around your neck and jump in the deep end than to harm a child. Do you really think he was only talking about Anglo children and Israeli children?

            Let me go a step further… if this country was invaded, we lost, and you and your children were taken abroad and enslaved, do you believe that you must then do “your earthly duty” and just… be a proper slave? Or would you refuse to be a giant flaccid dick and fight to free and protect your children from harm?

          16. So Trench…what’s wrong with states breaking away, forming their own union, and doing what they want within their own borders? (I say this as a lifelong Yankee who had at least three ancestors who were in the Union Army.)

            The War Between the States was not all about slavery, but more about states’ rights.

            Are you aware that the first American slave owner was black?

            Slavery still goes on in Africa to this day.

          17. States right to do what? Oh that’s right. Keep slaves.

          18. “Slavery still goes on in Africa to this day.” And that makes it OK? There are people in this country who advocate for adult/child sexual relationships. Does that make it OK?

            Goodness, this does absolutely nothing to prove my “most parents who opt out of vaccinations are intelligent people” argument. ::facepalm::

          19. Don’t worry Dodie, despite Alexandra’s er… more fallacious comments, I still learned something new from you, and have reconsidered my perspective based on the intelligence of your well-sourced argument. Every village has it’s idiot (and some have many) but it doesn’t mean the whole village is a wash.

          20. &lt3 Thank you, Jenny.

          21. Yes, but it looks like these days every village has at least FIVE idiots LOL

    1. What Confederate States?
      “A man killed cannot be resurrected, a nation extinguished cannot be restored” Sun Tzu
      Read this and reflect – YOUR “NATION” IS DEAD FOREVERMORE AND HAS NO PEOPLE – THE LAST ONES DIED OUT IN THE LAST CENTURY or are you delusional that just because you say it, it appears?

    2. Racist? Yeah right. Read up on the KKK.

  4. I agree with Glenn &amp Josephine. We fly the Confederate flag @ my home. We lost many members of the family to the Civil War. Just like any war, people lose family members. We aren’t all racists as you think Trench.

    1. Southern Belle, you agree with Glenn? Did you read his entire crazy-train rant? Do you also agree w/his acceptance of slavery?

    2. Maybe mot but it’s tantamount to rooting for Japan in WW II.

      1. In my country we’ve had our version of your Homeland Security for many years now, and they’ve done a great job weeding out nutcases like Glenn. Goes to show that too much ‘liberty’ leads to self-destruction in the wrong hands.
        I feel sorry for Southern Belle. Having studied history, my guess is most of the Confed troops (the rank – and – file) believed, and somewhat rightly, that they were protecting their homes and families. Unfortunately, when you look at the politicians who caused the war, well, that’s where the true evil starts.
        Sadly, if the head is evil, it doesn’t matter what the tail is, they all are tainted in the end.

  5. So, Trench, does this go in your record book as the oddest comments section?

    1. Sadly not even close.

  6. So we “anti-vaxxers” are the latest scapegoat.

    Explain to me why my son stopped talking right after his 18-month shots. He’s autistic. When I started detoxing him using food like cilantro and chlorella, he started talking again. Hm.

    I might add that mercury is not the only culprit. Aluminum is another one, and IS LINKED to autism and Alzheimer’s: http://www.naturalnews.com/039492_autism_children_heavy_metals.html

    http://miriamjang.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/the-danger-of-aluminum-for-autism/

    Also consider that there is formaldehyde/formalin in vaccines. Guess what? That’s a carcinogen.

    This “herd immunity” is a bunch of baloney.

    1. How about Johns Hopkins University. Are they in on it with ‘Big Pharma’?

      http://www.hopkinschildrens.org/researchDetail.aspx?id=5268

      Ironically, Halsey says, “the MMR vaccine can prevent the very infection, rubella, that science does link to autism.

    2. He was always autistic, you only noticed it after his vaccination because you were looking for it.

      Also, formaldehyde is produced naturally in the body, in far higher quantities than what is in a vaccine.
      There is more mercury in a can of tuna than what is in a vaccine.

      Herd immunity is not a bunch of baloney and if you would like to challenge it, go to school and get a degree in bio-medical science. Then do the research and gather the data required to debunk it. Cheers.

      1. Just because the body ‘naturally’ produces a chemical does not mean that we should introduce even more of it. There are many, many harmful chemicals produced naturally in the human brain that would kill us if we intentionally ingested them in larger quantities.

    3. So you think being dead of an infectious disease at two is better than learning to function as an autistic successfully and living a long, fulfilled life.
      Good thing people like you weren’t dominant in Jenner’s time or we’d all be extinct by now.

  7. My four year old has autism and my nine year old daughter has high functioning Aspergers. I knew something was off with my son when he was born. It took three days after his fourth birthday to receive a definitive diagnosis. He was never affected by vaccinations as neither was my daughter. Wouldn’t change them for the world. The diagnosis has made me more appreciative of the little things that many parents take for granted.

    1. I feel for you my friend.
      I am an Asperger sufferer too, and was only diagnosed this year at age 31.
      Let me reassure you that this disorder spectrum in no way makes anyone inferior, or should close up doors in their life.
      I am always around to hear from you and offer fellowship.

  8. Urg… I know Trench said he was happy I was back, and I hope that this doesn’t change that.

    Most of the old regulars here (if there are any of you still around) know me as a hard core advocate for protecting children. And I hope you’ll keep that in mind as you take out your bats with nails in. I know some of you already have your hands on them in anticipation. All that crazy confederate stuff aside, I do feel the need to share a story.

    A close friend of mine, who has two kids, allowed her first a limited number of vaccinations. After doing much research, which included reading the inserts that come with the vaccines (which I hope ALL parents do… and I mean the actual inserts from the manufacturers that are also posted on those manufacturers websites, not the CDC information sheets that are passed out at the doctors offices with extremely limited and dumbed-down info… I mean, we do read all the info that comes with prescriptions we take, right?), many studies published in peer-reviewed medical journals, and thoroughly researching her family history, she opted to stop vaccinating. Her husband didn’t agree with her, and not long ago he brought the kids in for “catch up” vaccines. They each received DtaP (the equivalent of 5 shots), MMR (3 shots), and HepA. That’s nine shots all in one go. Both children experienced fever that lasted a couple days, then seemed fine. The next week, they both had fever again, the younger one reaching 104. neither had ever experienced a fever over 102 before. The day after the older child’s fever broke, and he went back to school, he started getting nosebleeds. They increased in severity through the weekend, culminating in spots covering his body called “petechiae”, which are basically tiny broken blood vessels all over the skin. He also developed large blood blisters on his lips and in his mouth, and bruising blossoming all over his body at barely a touch. And his body just ached. Mom took him to the doctor first thing that Monday (his doctor didn’t feel it warranted a trip to the ER, or for him to stay home from school) and kept him home from school yet again. 11:30 that night, after she was finally able to get the poor kid to sleep, doctor calls and tells her she has to get her kid to the children’s hospital STAT. His platelet count had dropped so severely that there was panic in the doctor’s voice.

    As it turned out, the child had developed an autoimmune disease called “thrombocytopenic purpra”, which is fairly serious. It’s also a known possible side effect that is listed on the vaccine insert for MMR. The mother’s family had a family history of autoimmune issues, among other things, which was one of the reasons she was opting out of vaccinating her children. Just about every vaccine given lists at least one autoimmune reaction. He was in the hospital for three days, and had to have his platelet count monitored for over a month. She still has to keep a close eye on him, however, because the threat of a relapse is there for up to six months.

    My point is this… the vast majority of parents who opt out of vaccines are intelligent people (with an average – above average level of education) who have done their research. They’re not the uneducated masses or uber-religious freaks they’re made out to be by the media and those who don’t believe a parent should have the right to make these decisions. And they, unlike those that have the tendency to berate them for their decision, actually know their medical history, that of their children, and that of their family.

    Most of the people here are pro-choice, in that they believe a woman should have the right to choose whether or not she goes through with a pregnancy or aborts, because she should have a right to choose what happens with her own body. But many of these same people are against choice when it comes to what what goes into a child’s body. Children are not all exactly the same, because they all come from varying genetic backgrounds, with different environmental factors thrown in. So why should they all have “one-size-fits-all” medical procedures done without taking any of that other information into consideration? My friend researched, made a decision, and it turned out that she was right to worry. Other parents feel that their children will be fine with the shots, and are also right.

    I know a lot of children who are unvaccinated or who’ve received limited vaccines. They’re some of the healthiest kids I know, with some of the most devoted parents I’ve ever met.

    Maybe, in the case of vaccines, we might not have it all together right. The allowances for medical exemption are extremely limited in the case of vaccinations (it varies by state), but few of them take into consideration family medical history. I’m not going to say that all parents should opt out any more than I’d say all parents should vaccinate. It’s a debate that I’ve largely stayed away from, simply because I don’t feel it’s my decision to make for other people’s children. What I AM saying that most people don’t know the real reasons that parents who opt out make that choice, and most of the assumptions made about those choices are wrong.

    Personally, I never take any medical advice I’m given at face value, because I’ve never really had a doctor that hasn’t given me some bad advice (in some cases, with potentially devastating results). We’ve become extremely lazy as a society. Even if we’re going to be lazy about what medical treatments we accept for ourselves, we absolutely have to be the advocates for our children’s medical care. But before we jump to conclusions about what another parent is choosing and scream abuse, we should stop and listen to their reasons for making that choice, and stop automatically taking their explanation as a condemnation of our own choices with our own children.

    1. Great response, Dodia. I research all vaccines recommended for my own children, and there are several I have refused to allow them to have. The varicella vaccine is one of those. According to the latest scientific studies, children who received the varicella vaccine experience fertility problems at a much higher rate than those who did not. And the more doses the child receives (i.e. boosters), the greater the chance of sterility as an adult. I had chicken pox as a child, and while it is uncomfortable, it is not deadly. That vaccine is more for the parents than the child, since the parents would be forced to stay out of work if their child contracted the illness, thereby losing time at work. My children do go in for the MMR, DTaP, polio and other vaccines that protect against diseases with potentially deadly or life altering effects. I recommend that all parents research not only the vaccines, but also their family histories before deciding which vaccines (if any) to allow their children to have.
      As a side note, some children do better having each vaccine separately, and you can request such a thing from your doctor. The DTaP, for example can be broken down in to individual components (Diptheria, Pertussis, etc.), with each being administered individually. The benefit of that is that if the child has a reaction to one of the vaccines, you know which one it likely was, because each is administered separately, usually a week or two apart. Doctors do not like to do this, because they have to special order the vaccines, but if you insist, they will usually comply. If not, there are always other pediatricians out there.

      1. Thank you for pointing that out, Angel! A lot of people aren’t aware that they can request separate vaccines or an alternate schedule. Again, it boils down to family medical history, the individual child’s history, and choice.

  9. Catch her and her boyfriend, throw them into an asylum, and throw away the key. There is NO place for racists and the like in civilised human society

  10. “Oh an as an aside, the Confederate flag in all its forms should be referred to by its proper name, the traitor’s rag.”
    Don’t forget Nazi progenitor banner (eugenics), hoodlum badge (Preston Brooks), Terrorist inspiration (KKK) as well.

  11. The media made it a big scare for some time. A lot of people freaked out. I blame them. But its sad people dont do their research when reading this crap from the media. An when big name actors get involved omg it becomes the truth to some people. I dont agree what this lady did. And the whole comment “Oh an as an aside, the Confederate flag in all its forms should be referred to by its proper name, the traitor’s rag” is insulting. I have lived in the south, but im from the north. I have studied diversity and history. That flag has way more meaning and I have seen the same ugly and hateful fly an American flag. I understand most reporting of child abuse comes from the poor and trash (as you call it), but let me tell you when I worked in a school that only the rich could send their children to I have seen some horrible abuse.

  12. Normally I don’t respond to blog posts because it opens up a whole can of worms, but since I have a couple of points I feel have to be made on this subject here goes…
    There is absolutely no credible scientific research stating that vaccines cause Autism, Autism spectrum disorders, or pervasive development disorders. There is research that vaccines can temporarily aggravate these conditions, as it is thought that children on the spectrum are more sensitive to some of the ingredients in vaccinations, but no credible member of the scientific community will state or even hypothesize that autism is caused by them. Why? Because research has been done and published that state the opposite.
    From a psychological perspective I find the blame placing to be extremely sad on these parents parts, as they are obviously refusing to come to terms with the fact that their child has a genetic disorder. As someone on the spectrum I was always extremely grateful that my parents took my condition for what it was. And yes, autism is a genetic disorder.
    Furthermore some vaccinations are an important part of society. An excellent example of this is the smallpox vaccine, which helped the WHO eradicate the disease entirely. Vaccinations as a whole are the strongest defense that society has against catastrophic disease and lifelong disease. Does that mean you have to rush out and get your child vaccinated with the flu vaccine every year? No (I personally only get the flu vaccine as it is required of me as a health care practitioner), but there are critical ones that every person’s child should get: MMR, Varicella, Polio, Hep B, DPT, meningococcal, and HPV. The only reason anyone has for avoiding getting their children vaccinated (at any time, again remember I’m open to the idea of a delayed vaccination schedule) is that their child is immunocomprimised/immunosuppressed.
    And if any of you want to argue with me, it’s alright, but I will take you with a grain of salt. I definitely have an education on this type of thing, and if any of you anti-vaxxers have something more impressive to show me than my credentials I may listen to you (a BSc in microbiology, a BSc in human sciences, international accreditation as a surgical processing technologist, and am currently studying to write my MCAT), but I know for a fact that Jenny McCarthy can’t top that.

    1. I’m not sure why anyone would consider Varicella to be a “critical” vaccine. Everyone I grew up with got the chicken pox, and not one person I know had a severe reaction to it. Hep B is only critical for at-risk individuals (children born to infected or at-risk mothers, IV drug users, etc.), and HPV is definitely not critical. As one of the developers of one of the HPV vaccines pointed out, only about 5% of the individuals who contract one of the forms of HPV that are believed to cause cancer will develop precancerous lesions, and a far smaller % of those will eventually (it takes decades) develop into full-blown cancer. With all the reactions to this one, it’s no wonder so many people see little (if any) benefit. They’re making little girls (as young as 9 years old) get it when they don’t even know if it lasts to the (potentially) sexually active teen years, let alone adulthood. Not one of the vaccines out there provides long-term protection, so there is no reason to believe that HPV vax does without further studies.

  13. On the MMR vaccinations give you MMR disease note:

    Okay, here’s how it works: There are two types of vaccines – the ‘live’ vaccine and the dead ones. Dead vaccines can’t do anything…they’re DEAD!

    Live vaccines are weakened forms of the virus which do give you symptoms of whatever the ‘jab’ is for.

    Here’s the thing though: Live vaccines are a)weakened so that it will only be a mild case and b)are given at an age when people can get over it better. Barring anything out of the ordinary (allergies,etc), it’s really even safer than pox parties. The whole POINT of vaccines is that they’re weaker forms (or dead). b)is EXACTLY the same thing as a pox party.

  14. Regarding the ‘Oooh, the outbreaks of autism/certain illness/evil de jour are all amongst those vaccinated’….that …. umm… that might have a teensy bit to do with the fact that Americans have to PAY for healthcare? Think about it.

    Autism:

    Scenario 1: A child is on the spectrum. Because his parents are able to afford healthcare, they can a)take him for vaccines and b)take him to ….whoever diagnoses autism?

    Scenario 2: A child is on the spectrum. His parents aren’t able to afford heathcare. Therefore he isn’t vaccinated nor is he diagnosed.

    Whooping Cough:

    Scenario A: A little girl’s parents can afford health care. Their daughter is taken to be vaccinated. Everything has a failure rate and the little girl gets whooping cough. Her parents notice and promptly take her to get medical care because they can afford it. Result: Vaccinated little girl diagnosed with whooping cough.

    Scenario B: Little girl whose parents can’t afford healthcare or vaccines. Their daughter gets the whooping cough. Her parents can’t afford healthcare so the whooping cough isn’t treated promptly. As it tends to do, it spreads from an upper respiratory illness (flu, cold, whooping cough) to a lower respiratory illness. Little girl gets very sick and is taken to hospital. Result: Unvaxed little girl diagnosed with pneumonia.

    It’s a pretty standard logical fallacy called “ignoring a common cause.”

    Tldr, Those who can afford to vaccinate their kids can also afford to have them diagnosed either sooner (whooping cough vs pneumonia) or at all (autism diagnosis vs no autism diagnosis).

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