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Bad Breeder and Boyfriend accused of beating toddler into a stroke

Not a whole lot of detail on this story but in 2013 April Koch, 22, and Joshua Grabowski, 22, both of Irwin, Pennsylvania, are both accused of beating Koch’s then one-year-old daughter so bad that the toddler had a stroke. Of course when the couple were questioned they said that the girl, Gabriella Berry, fell out of her crib and hit her head on a coffee table. Once again innocent furniture is being blamed for something that idiots do.

Gabriella is now in the custody of her father Robert Berry but Koch still gets a four-hour a week supervised visit. Here’s Mr. Berry describing what his daughter has been going through…

Gabriella Berry’s father, Robert Berry, said the little girl is taking medication for seizures, sees a therapist up to three times a week and has to wear a brace on her left arm and left leg due to the injuries. He remains thankful she survived the alleged abuse.

“I just have to thank God. That’s really the only way to put it,” Robert Berry said. “I just hope she gets back to normal. That’s the biggest thing.”

I’ve seen adults try to deal with the after effects of a stroke and it broke my heart. I can’t even imagine a child who’s barely two having to deal with that.

Of course the alleged abusers are now expecting their own child. I wonder how long it will take before they have that child taken away from them.

Look, my message here is to abusers, you can’t fool the medical professionals. They can tell when a child has been abused. They are smarter than you will ever be. It just makes it worse for you if you try to hide it from police. Or you could, you know, not hit your kids in the first place you idiots.

I tried finding a charity or something where donations could be sent to help with Gabriella’s medical expenses but I wasn’t able to find one. If anyone finds it please leave it in the comments.

Thanks to Stephan for the tip.

Loved more in death than life

No big fix needed for child welfare, Jeffrey Baldwin inquest is told

Jeffrey Baldwin was starved to death by his ‘manipulative’ grandmother, inquest told

 

Before

Before

This story is a little older, but updates have been popping up in the past few days.  The write up and tip go to my new Opinionated Mama – jeffybean

I have been following this case for YEARS . 5 year old Jeffery Baldwin was found in his Grandmother’s home dead from septic shock November 30th 2002, at only 21 pounds.  He died after years of abuse, not only from his “Grandma’s” hands but his incubator, and the little dick weasel called his father, his grandpa and FIVE adults that were living in “granny’s” home.  The names of the murderers? Elva Bottineau and Norman Kidman were the ones eventually charged with his death. Sentenced until 2023 and 2021 respectively which they are up for parole Lets start at the beginning

Jeffery was removed from his home because his incubator was found to be abusing his older siblings and his sister, so granny (who has had 1 previous murder conviction of an infant daughter, and had her son removed for systematic abuse and torture) gets the kids for the government checks provided by Catholics Children’s Aid Society.

Jeffery and a unnamed sister were kept in a cold locked room, with no access to a toilet because he and his sister would drink the water, which was filled with urine and feces so they couldn’t drink from it.  They were forced to sit at the “pigs’ wall”, run around the kitchen with the adults (FIVE FUCKING ADULTS) screaming at them to go faster while throwing sharp and heavy objects at them, and if one of them dared to stumble, they would be punished.  His siblings were forced to call them pigs and weren’t allowed to play with their “good siblings”. Eventually poor Jeffery died after months of abuse at Elva’s hands, his sister only surviving because she gorged at school on free snacks.

Granny decided to call 911 on November 30th after he stopped breathing, there are actual photos online but if you want to see them that’s for you to search.  The paramedics arrive and they find a tiny little body wrapped in blankets blue, cold to the touch, and it would haunt paramedics for life. Fast forward to March 30th of 2003, the house of horrors is finally investigated and granny and her c*** filler are finally arrested on charges of manslaughter.  While on trial, Catholics Children’s Aid Society is found out to have known that this c***, inflicted enough bodily harm to murder her 1st daughter, and her youngest son also was removed from her care for the exact abuse inflicted on little Jeffery. Where was the responsibility of the place that placed them?? Ill get to that in a bit. It was admitted to the judge by one of the waste of sperm that witnessed the abuse that Elva didn’t like Jeffery because he was the “bad child” and “she didn’t like him and he was just dollars and cents to her.” The bitch didn’t even deny or try to defend herself she didn’t take the stand. A few years it comes to media’s notice that the CCAS let Jeffery slip through the cracks. If you have time look up on YouTube “Jeffery Baldwin and the 5th estate”

On the YouTube video is how Jeffery was failed again and again and again! In 2013 there was finally an inquest on how CAAS handled things, and just yesterday the woman who should have just  been swallowed came to argue her case  “I’m going to suggest that you punished your daughter by taking her children,” said Jeffery and the surviving children’s attorney said the c*** waffle clearly offended snarls out  I don’t punish my children from the woman who let  Jeffrey and his sister to fester in their own waste and drink water out of the toilet quench their thirst, Jeffrey so weak and malnourished he couldn’t pull himself upstairs. No She was  the better caregiver better than them going into foster homes. And the Catholic Children’s Aid Society, in possession of a thick file on c***waffle the long history of harm and neglect to other kids revoked following allegations of abuse never checked files and made sure that placing Jeffrey, two sisters and a brother would be safe, in that household from hell. Cockwaffle became increasingly nasty and snarky, the mask she’d arrived with revealed evil beast within, the c*ckwaffle denying what she did to those children for her own fat selfish gain. It would be later told that she was molested and raped by her step dad and ran away to produce children who shed leave and produce 3 more with Kidman. The hell that c*ckwaffle went through she would pay it forward, and on a poor defenseless little boy. The boy who had a cute pug nose, the sweetest giggle, but couldn’t draw proper, wouldn’t get the knack of pottying into a potty chair and who was constantly sick and never cared for. Cockwaffle defended this as “protecting him from the elements” of course those elements being someone who would tell the authorities and get her precious dollars taken away. Last words this evil c*** spoke to the jury were He would look at me ya know? And it was, just, like a cold, dead stare.  All around Jeffery was failed. By CAAS, his family, investigators, neighbors those 5 wastes of spaces that knew what was going on every damn day of his short life. CAAS has not accepted responsibility in his death and neither have any of the 5, but slowly the memory of Jeffery builds and he’s more loved in death than he ever was in life.

 

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After

Ryan Warner: Another Baby Beating Crack Snack

Napa couple charged with murder in death of Kayleigh Slusher

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In my mind there is no justifiable circumstance for beating a 3-year-old to death. Kayleigh Slusher was beaten to death by her mother (Sara Krueger – 23) and the useless flesh she used to entertain her vagina (Ryan Scott Warner – 26).  After being beaten to death, she was stuffed in a suitcase and placed in a freezer for 3 days.  I mean, Gawd forbid a little legal SNAFU causes a hiccup in this piece of shit mother’s sexual relationship.  Kayleigh was found in the apartment during a welfare check.  Looks like CPS was a little late on checking her welfare, ay? Anyone who knows me, knows I remember the faces of all the children who are murdered – I want everyone who sees this to remember her face too.  Angels are always beautiful…. some more than others.

Kayleigh’s bio-dad is in prison for reckless driving and evading police.  She may have been better off being in his custody.  Or the custody of a rabid wart hog.

Both c*ck stains have been charged with murder and felony assault.  COME ON DEATH PENALTY!!  Sadly, I live in CA – The bleeding hearts here will probably not allow these two to be put down like the dogs they are.  They are scheduled in court on February 25th.   I will try too keep y’all updated.

Baby bashed up in Queensland

Mum accused of punching baby in face

Mum charged with bashing her baby

Police examine the scene of the bashing

Police examine the scene of the bashing

There are many ways of dealing with a crying baby. There are also ways of dealing with stress and anger. None of the methods involve punching a living thing.

A Queensland bitch has been charged with assault occasioning bodily harm after she allegedly punched her 5 month old baby girl in the face multiple times. The reason for the cowardly punch? The baby wouldn’t stop crying. Witnesses in Eyre Street, North Ward saw the bitch attacking her baby at around 1pm and called the police. Bitch remains in police custody.

The baby is in hospital recovering from bruising and facial injuries for the time being. It’s not known whether the baby incurred any brain damage or other internal injuries from the bashing.

Not surprisingly, it was found that the bitch had been drinking and was intoxicated. At 1pm in the afternoon. While caring for her baby.

QLD Police say there are no laws specific to the assault of a baby and that the punishment is not generally greater just because the victim is a baby or a child. They further explained that if the punishment is increased due to the age of the victim, it’s generally up to the courts to determine whether that would be the case. Another spokesperson has come forward to say that assaults on children in Townsville were becoming a daily occurrence, especially because of the school holidays and the associated stress.

Why do Queenslanders put four exes on beer cans?

Because they can’t spell “beer”.

Tatted-up tweens

Three people charged after two girls under 13 ‘tattooed without consent’

Tattooing leads to charge of child abuse in Campbell County

More charges filed in tattooing of children

3 supposed “adults” have been arrested and charged after two girls under the age of 13 were tattooed in Campbell County, Virginia. Now, I understand that tattoos are all the rage these days and aren’t just limited to bikies and sailors, but having them on pre-teen girls just won’t do.

Alexander Edwards is a  crappy babysitter

Alexander Edwards is a crappy babysitter

It’s understood that the girls were left in the care of Alexander Edwards (20) when he took it upon himself to ink the girls. His artistic attempts were met with charges of malicious wounding, abduction and child abuse.

Melissa Derp

Melissa Derp

When the girl’s mother Melissa Delp (Derp) (35) and her salami Daniel Janney (32) found out about the impromptu body art, they were mad. So mad that Janney decided to try to remove the ink with a hot razor blade. This MacGyver method of tattoo removal earnt him and his hot pocket charges of malicious wounding and child abuse also.

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Daniel Janney

Michael Mucklow, owner-operator of GO! Tattoo Removal, located in Kutztown PA, has offered his services to the girls for free. He uses non-invasive laser treatments to break down the ink pigments, and his clients usually have to return 10 to 12 times for the ink to be completely removed. What a kind fellow to help these girls get rid of the disfigurement that this wankstain inflicted on them. Those home tattooing kits are dodgy as fuck and the tattoos look like absolute crap. It’ll probably only take 1 or 2 goes to get the ink out.

The news sources list Edwards as being an “associate” of the broodmother and her sperm pump, but I can’t help thinking that he might actually be her bit on the side. In comparison to Janney, Edwards is younger and has more hair. But Janney also has those glasses that make him look a little bit more clever than Edwards and has a thinner face. But the dodgy home tattoos give the game away. She can’t decide who is more of a “catch”, but I bet she’s willing to trade Janney in for the younger model.

That’s enough speculation. All three of them need a dick tattooed onto their faces. And it’s probable that all three of them had their brains removed with a hot razor blade some time ago.

Our favorite New Jersey Nazi is back in the news: “I’ll stop making them when they stop taking them.”

Heath Campbell. Why yes that is a Hitler mustache and a swastika tattoo.

Heath Campbell. Why yes that is a Hitler mustache and a swastika tattoo.

Neo-Nazi demands child welfare workers return his baby girl named Eva Braun:

If you’ve been following this site for a while I’m sure you remember the story of one Heath Campbell. In 2008 he had his kids taken away by New Jersey DYFS. He came on their radar after it was reported that a local supermarket wouldn’t put Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler on a birthday cake. You see, Adolf Hitler was the name of one of Campbell’s kids, He named his other kids in that family after Nazi leaders and ideals as well. DYFS took the kids away claiming abuse in the home and not the Nazi names they’d been given although I’ll always argue that giving kids names like that is a form of abuse, but I digress.

It seems that Campbell has had another kid taken away again and yet again it was named after a Nazi icon. This time it was a girl named Eva Braun. For those of you who have lapsed on your World War II history Eva Braun was Hitler’s girlfriend and very shortly his wife before the pair committed suicide. And again it wasn’t because of the Nazi name. The child was taken because Campbell’s new baby mama had her previous child taken as well.

But get this, Campbell has had nine kids by five women and has custody of none of them to which he flippantly replies “Well, I’ll stop making them when they stop taking them.”

Dude, you’re on disability and couldn’t even afford to go see your daughter before she was taken. You have no business having kids and not because you’re a Nazi but more because you’re an irresponsible trailer trash dumbass.

And I guess it’s still lost on him that if he had lived in Hitler’s Germany he would have been exterminated for being ‘disabled’.

System failure kills Quinten

How An Abusive Father Ruined His Son’s Life. And What His Daughter Did About It.

Woman cries foul over brother’s death, calls for investigation (CNN)

Petition for an investigation to be carried out on OK’s social services.

Photos of Quinten and Cameron, and the foul living conditions that they were subjected to

Justice for Quinten Facebook page

Obituary for Quinten

I happened upon this story, as I tend to do when I trawl the ‘net for other things. I shared a link with Trench, who then offered me a CNN news link. Unfortunately, this seems to be the only “legit” news link I have come across, which is very sad. We have had to rely on all the sites that Quinten’s sister have published on to get more information. There are photos of the living conditions that the boys were forced to endure, plus photos of Quinten and his brother Cameron.

This story is about a sister, Valerie Wood-Harber, who was brave enough to blow the whistle on the poor living conditions to which her bio breeder Michael Wood had subjected her younger brothers Cameron and Quinten. She alleges that all the housework and care of Quinten was foisted upon young Cameron. You see, Quinten has a ring chromosome disorder which caused him to be unable to care for himself, use the toilet, feed himself, walk or talk. Instead of Mr. Wood caring for his son like he should have done, it is alleged that he just gave up and allowed Quinten to become gravely ill without seeking medical help for him. It is on a grubby, pee stained couch that Quinten died at the age of 15 years, holding the hand of his best friend and brother Cameron.

When Cameron told Valerie of the poor living conditions, as well as physical and emotional abuse that their own father was subjecting them to, she made a difficult yet sensible decision – she called Child Welfare Services and sang like a canary. They promised her that they would do a home study and that everything would be okay. Three weeks passed, and nothing was done. Valerie tried her damnedest to clean the trailer up and buy food for the boys. It was all in vain. The trailer would be exactly the same way when she returned the next time. The fridge would be empty again. Cameron told her that if it weren’t for her buying groceries, they would probably starve.

Valerie had taken the boys in after a mere three days of discovering that they existed, when their father took off to work overseas. She looked after them for 4 years, right up until Quinten started having issues with living with a “stranger” and Cameron needing his dad. Valerie did not have the time nor the resources to get the boys the help they needed, so with a heavy heart, she sent them back to their dad. She couldn’t have known that this decision would have cost Quinten his life. She had begged her father to let her take the boys until he got back on his feet, but he allegedly threatened her with never seeing the boys again if she implied that he was anything less than a good father to them. He would also have her charged with kidnapping, and because she lived in the next state, it would have been a felony.

Michael Wood is currently free from prosecution, as there had been NO investigation made by social services. Quinten’s death was officially caused by pneumonia, which the coroner blamed on his ring chromosome condition. Quinten was scrawny and malnourished, but again that was blamed on his condition.

Valerie is working around the clock to see her father brought to justice and to see Oklahoma Social Services investigated for their role in Quinten’s death.

I took offence to the poor reporting skills of the journo who wrote the CNN article. It barely touched on the accusations of child abuse made by Valerie and basically made it out to be a sob story. However, it does provide more opportunities to feel contempt for Michael Wood. According to the article, Wood claimed that Quentin suffered from recurrent ear infections which antibiotics could not clear. Valerie states that Quentin never became sick when in her care. He also claimed that he went to DHS for help with Quentin (um, your daughter offered to take the boys and you nearly bit her head off with threats of kidnapping charges). DHS declined to comment on whether there was any record of Wood visiting DHS. He even went as far as to blame his imaginary friend God for Quinten’s death. No sir. You kept them in a hovel, you didn’t buy any food and you rejected your daughter’s pleas to take better care of the boys. This is squarely on you.

It is so sad that there wasn’t much more on news sites and that I had to rely on unofficial new sights. Valerie is trying hard to get her brother’s story told, and I hope by putting it on BB, that it will help.

RIP Quinten Douglas Wood.

 

NC Breeders handcuff kid to fence, tie dead chicken around his neck

Harper and Larson

Harper and Larson

DSS supervisor, ER nurse charged in abuse of boy, 11:

NC child found handcuffed to porch with dead chicken around his neck:

I’ve lived in North Carolina for roughly about 15 years now. I love living in the south. The people are friendlier, it doesn’t snow as much, the cost of living is cheaper, etc. I often find myself defending the south against the stereotypes that it’s filled with ignorant rednecks. This story makes it hard for me to do that. Granted this story could have happened in any state but it didn’t. It happened in mine.

Yesterday 57-year-olds Dorian Lee Harper and Wanda Sue Larson of Union County, North Carolina were arrested after an 11-year-old boy was found on their property handcuffed to the porch by his ankle with a dead chicken tied around his neck. Sadly there’s way too much to this story than just that.

First off police were first summoned to the property on a call of a loose pig. That’s not a euphemism for anything. Apparently the suspects had animals on their property that according to one neighbor ranged from pigs to llamas. That’s when the officer found the boy shackled to the porch with the aforementioned dead chicken tied around his neck. While the officer was looking for answers a man came out of the house and so did another child who unwittingly released the dogs that were in the house who went straight after the officer. The officer retreated to the safety of his patrol car. The man in question allegedly unchained the boy and took the chicken from off of his neck.

It turns out that the 11-year-old boy was a foster child. Four other children were removed from the home. Their ages run from 8 to 14 and are said to have been adopted by the couple. Now for the rotten cherry on top of this trailer trash sundae. Not only is Harper an emergency room nurse at the local hospital Larson is a DSS Supervisor. That’s right kids, she works for the government agency that takes away other people’s kids.

While the articles haven’t specifically mentioned any motives I think it’s obvious what the motive is here. Good old-fashioned greed. If she works for the DSS she may have knowledge of certain financial incentives that the government may give to foster or adoptive families. With him being an ER nurse he may have intimate knowledge on how to inflict punishment on a child without leaving visible marks. All speculation on my part but it does make a certain kind of sense doesn’t it.

What I really want to know is why did the boy have a dead chicken tied around his neck. The thing that keeps coming back to my mind is The Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. (Later retold by Iron Maiden) In that poem the Mariner is forced to wear an albatross around his neck after he kills it because his shipmates view the bird as a sign of good luck. Did this kid kill their lucky chicken? I may be on to something with that because I just found a message board from people who raise their own chickens who said back in the ‘old days’ if a dog killed one of their chickens they’d tie the dead chicken around the dog’s neck to not only discipline it but to make the dog fear the chickens.

My lovely and talented wife also brought up a good point. While Larson is stewing in Union County lock up how many of her cellies do you think had kids taken away by DSS?

Thanks to Lucy and Risskia for the tip.

UPDATE: One of my Facebook friends suggested that this is their way of calling the boy a coward.

Second Life players didn’t give their child a Second Chance

Second Life obsessed parents starve two-year-old child

Couple ‘living in fantasy world’ accused of starving girl

Parents ‘were so immersed in fantasy video game world where their avatars married and had jobs they let real-life daughter, 2, nearly starve to death’

Mark Knapp and Elizabeth Pester

Mark Knapp and Elizabeth Pester

This is the second story I’ve heard of parents neglecting their children in favour of Second Life. I saw a feature on Dr. Phil (back in my HSC days) on this game, with a 13 year old girl addicted to it. To me, it looks sort of like The Sims, only a bit more sophisticated. I don’t know much about the game, so I typed the term “Second Life” into urbandictionary.com (where I do all of my serious research) and got this:

“Second Life:

A game where desperate people with no lives or friends get to live out their dreams of social acceptance and sex. The vast majority of Second Life players are unattractive and socially awkward.”

Well, there you have it. Put that definition together with the mugshot and it explains a lot.

Mark Knapp (48) and his blushing bride Elizabeth Pester (33) stand accused of neglecting their 2 year old daughter in favour of looking after their Second Life avatars. The couple were charged with child neglect and abuse after it was found that their daughter only weighed 5.8 kg (13 lbs). She was rushed to hospital in a severe state of malnutrition. On top of being severely underweight, she couldn’t walk or talk, and the back of her head was flat.

When the cops came around to arrest the couple, they found them playing Second Life. Mark asked the officers whether they were here because their daughter had died. NO THEY WERE NOT! They should thank their fucking lucky stars that she wasn’t dead! They were so absorbed in their crappy little game that they didn’t even know their daughter was alive or dead.

The couple were known to authorities, with their daughter being taken away in 2012 for being underweight. She was returned (wtf?) on the condition that she was to be weighed weekly to ensure that she reached a healthy weight. The weigh-ins did not happen! Big fat FAIL.

Elizabeth allegedly rescheduled her daughter’s appointments and requested that the appointments be scheduled for the afternoon, citing that she worked as a DJ and needed her sleep in the mornings. The DJ gig, as it turns out, belongs to her Second Life avatar, DJ Syn. The immersion was that deep, she thought her avatar was actually her. She and Mark also had a virtual wedding and she shared pictures of it on her Facebook, saying

” THE MOST AMAZING NIGHT A BRIDE COULD HAVE I WONT TRADE IT FOR THE WORLD!!!”

The silliness of this would be so funny, if a kid wasn’t near death due to the idiocy of her breeders. She actually tried to pass off Second Life as her own life?? Her real life must be so boring.

Here’s a picture of their avatars (for a comparison to their actual mugshots). The top one is from their fake wedding:

Alter-egos: In the online virtual world Second Life, Pester's blonde avatar (left) worked as a DJ, and the couple had a wedding

You’re kidding yourselves if you think you actually look like that.

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Pester’s fake job as DJ Syn

The ghastly gamers are being held in Tulsa county jail on US$50, 000 each. And no, that’s not in Simoleons. Their little girl is still in a critical condition, trying to regain her real life.

Imagine how good this family could be living if Mark and Elizabeth put in as much effort into their real life as they did building up their Second Life avatars?

PS: If you get the chance, look up Second Life trolling videos on YouTube. These players go to pieces over nothing!

Boys pulled from house full of cat shit, can only speak in grunts

Boys found in Denver house full of cat faeces spoke in grunts

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/suspects-in-child-abuse-of-four-boys-found-in-filthy-conditions-have-faced-similar-charges-before

Here’s a horrifying tale, just in time for Hallowe’en. Try not to scream when you see the mugshot.

Wayne Sperling, 66, and Lorinda Bailey, 35, are charged with multiple counts of child abuse.

A dirty wizard and his dimwitted apprentice

Four boys were pulled from a filthy house in Denver, CO. They were filthy, three of them were still in nappies and could only speak in grunts, according to reports. Their breeders, Wayne Sperling (66) and Lorinda Bailey (35) have been charged with multiple counts of child abuse. They are repeat offenders, with charges dating back as far as 2006.

The latest act of foul foolishness was discovered when Lorinda took the youngest boy (2) to the doctor for an apparent cut on his head. The doctor, not being stupid unlike the two numbskulls up there, also noticed suspicious bruising behind the boy’s right ear consistent with pinching and called the police. The doctor also noticed that the child smelt like cigarette smoke, was unwashed and his speech was far behind what was normal for a 2 year old.

When the police and Denver social services turned up to the house, they observed that three other children aged 4, 5, and 6, all appeared to be the same size and two of the children were only wearing nappies. That’s not the worst of it…

The house was redolent with the stench of a decomposing animal, so badly that the police couldn’t stand to be inside. They couldn’t locate the source of the smell, because every surface inside the house was covered in flies. That’s a fuckload of flies, and that judgement is something coming from someone who lives in the Land of the Flies. Lorinda, the foul temptress of the faeces, had the gall to deny that the state of the house was dirty or unhygienic, adding (and I quote)

“The feces looks like human but it’s the cats”

Oh, that makes it all better then…NOT!!! Are you fucking kidding me? Cat poo contains many harmful parasites, and can cause toxoplasmosis in young children. It can also cause worms, plus it contains all the other nasty germs that you find in human shit such as e-coli and salmonella. Under the boys’ bunk beds, the feline faeces was 1 – 2 inches thick on the floor. There was also cat piss and dead flies on the floor where the boys would play. Lorinda was allegedly living in another unit away from the boys but claimed to see them every day. Interesting. She thinks that cat shit/piss and dead flies everywhere aren’t unhygienic, yet refuses to live in the mess. And then consigns her children to fester in that filth.

This isn’t the first ride at the rodeo for these rednecks. They were charged in 2006 and 2009 with child abuse, with the latter resulting in the kids being taken. So why the fuck were they given back to these creeps?

Shame on you, Colorado. And to think that I wanted to stay at the Stanley Hotel at Estes Park (where The Shining was filmed) and go skiing in Aspen, as well as see the Adirondacks. Lift your game, otherwise you won’t be seeing my tourist dollars!

And please outlaw incest, it looks like that father-daughter relationship is a little too friendly…

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